In news:Xns94569B9F71D00teggeratistop@207.14.113.17, Tegger® being of bellicose mind posted:
TeGGer.... you're going to have to repeat the lecture you gave to me about how ISPs store website inquiries for a period of time in order to facilitate a faster internet experience.
"Philip®" spake unto the masses in news:RGLEb.11213$ snipped-for-privacy@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
How many times?? The f***ing site is DOWN. DOWN, people, DOWN. The scum that run this site got kicked off for spamming and false advertising.
I cannot help it that your ISP caches pages for insane lengths of time.
How many times do I have to explain to people that what they see on their screens is usually NOT the site itself but a locally-stored copy on their ISP's servers?
I'll post a fuller explanation once I've calmed down.
"Tony Marsillo" spake unto the masses in news:brvmu5$7v909$ snipped-for-privacy@ID-102725.news.uni-berlin.de:
What is the IP address?
There IS none. It's DEAD, regardless of the fakery your ISP's caching servers want you to believe.
I hate to repost this, but since the page doesn't exist any longer except on my ISPs server, I figured I would post it here.
I thought the Welcome and FAQ spelled out it pretty well.
Welcome:
Welcome to the AUTO-RX report page. This web site will document the test of an engine cleaner available here.
I began this test because I was, to put it lightly, skeptical of the claims made by the inventor of this product. He has plenty of testimonials but little in the way of photographic proof.
When I presented photos of this engine to Frank, the inventor of this product, this is what he had to say:
"This is a much lower cost option than tearing your engine apart and cleaning by hand, even then you would not get rid of all sludge. Auto-Rx will -- we guarantee it!"
"One of the great benefits of Auto-Rx is the fact that it cleans sludge, varnish and all third party abrasives from your engine"
I had my doubts so I decided to put this site up where interested parties could follow my progress.
Note: This test is not condoned or endorsed by the makers of Auto-Rx. Nor am I affiliated with, friends of, or even remotely liked by the makers of this product.
FAQ's
Q - How did your engine get so dirty? A - As far as I can tell it was due to poor oil changes and possibly overheating. I bought the car used.
Q - Why are you testing this product? A - I simply want to see if it works as advertised. The claimed performance of Auto-RX is remarkable.
Q - Why are you not providing an oil analysis? A - An oil analysis would take additional time to complete and is not necessary to see the visual effects of Auto-Rx.
Q - Well that's not very scientific! A - This was never supposed to be scientific. Either the product cleans or it doesn't.
Q - What are your qualifications to perform this test? A - I feel I am qualified to pour a bottle of Auto-Rx into my engine, drive the car, and take pictures of the result.
Q - So you are going to test this product when you don't have a degree in chemistry, automotive engineering, etc? A - Neither does the typical Auto-Rx customer. No one questions their results.
Q - So you admit that there have been positive results. A - Yep.
Q - So why are you doing your own test. A - Because too many of those results were subjective. "My car runs better, faster, uses less oil etc". Or, "look what was in my oil filter after I used Auto-RX". I have been unable to find a legitimate set of before/after photos of an Auto-Rx-cleaned engine.
Q - Will you post my before/after pictures of Auto-RX? A - As long as they clearly show the engine and they are well documented.
Q - I did my own test and Auto-Rx worked great! A - Great! Send me the pics!
Q - Well, we didn't take pictures. A - I get that a lot.
Q - Why are the camshafts in the same position in both the before and after pics? A - This is intentional and was done to make it easier to compare specific areas. If you look closely they are NOT in the exact same positions.
Q - I noticed that the first set of photos show the engine covered in oil. Why do the other sets show a dry engine? A - After taking the first set, the "before" photos, I noticed that the oil film would affect the viewers ability to notice whether cleaning was happening or not. In the next sets of photos I "patted" the engine dry with an old t-shirt to remove the excess oil.
--- Curtis Newton snipped-for-privacy@remove-me.akaMail.com
ICQ: 4899169
If they are caching it, they are doing a great job. I liked the Santa Hat on the title block. Personally I don't plan to ever need the product. I believe the IP address is 69.56.130.147 . According to Arin this address belongs to:
OrgName: ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc. OrgID: TPCM Address: 1333 North Stemmons Freeway Address: Suite 110 City: Dallas StateProv: TX PostalCode: 75207 Country: US
Ed
Since my ISP is still caching the site, do you want to see the photos??
I could email them to you (he has a few summary slides near the end with before, mid, and after photos.
Send me an email at snipped-for-privacy@akamail.com if you want to see the photos.
If not, disregard.
--- Curtis Newton snipped-for-privacy@remove-me.akaMail.com
ICQ: 4899169
-- Tony Marsillo Nutmeg Repair
In news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com, Curtis Newton being of bellicose mind posted:
Curtis: I was REFERRING to an AutoRX test by "bobistheoilguy.com" ... NOT you.
Your post on 12/19/03 states in part:
seeing
"C. E. White" spake unto the masses in news: snipped-for-privacy@mindspring.com:
Aaaaand.....has anyone actually done a port check on that IP to see if port
80 is open? A port scan does not use HTTP, and thus bypasses the http caching proxy server. I just did using NetDemon and nmap. There is NO open port 80 at that IP address. Reprinted below is an explanation of caching servers that I sent via email to Philip:-----------------------------------------------
There are two different kinds of Internet cache:
1) Your browser's cache, and 2) Your ISP's cache.You can only monkey with your browser's cache. You cannot do anything about the cache Earthlink runs.
In order to improve access times and end-user (you) experience, most ISPs will store a copy of requested pages and images locally on one of their own servers, called a caching server or caching proxy server. This is especially useful for dialup users, but applies to everyone using most ISPs.
The first user to request a particular page experiences whatever delay in getting the page. The page and its associated files are drawn directly from the Web site itself. Subsequent users will see the page load faster, but will be unaware that they are not actually seeing the Web site itself, but a locally stored copy of it on their ISP's own server, which the server established at the time the original requests were made.
Most ISPs have "transparent proxies", which are caching servers that are invisible to you. You are forced to use them and unless you know how to do a traceroute, you will be unaware that they are throttling you through such a proxy.
Caching servers are used in many places on the Internet. They are used to help speed things along and to reduce load on servers downstream for commonly requested pages. The problem with caching servers is that it can take anywhere from hours to days before the cache is flushed or refreshed. Therefore, a change to a site may not be visible to the end-user until the cache is flushed and a new copy of the page is stored in the caching server for your browser to go and grab for you to see.
If a DNS entry (the thing that links a name to a locatable numeric address) has been yanked or has expired, you won't see that either until the cache has been flushed and renewed. This means that at least for a while, it will appear to the end-user that the site is still up, which is exactly what's happening here with rms13.com.
Caching servers make it troublesome for Web page authors who are uploading their work to remote hosting companies. They may have to wait for some time before seeing their handiwork online unless they are with an ISP that is willing to let you bypass their proxy/caching server. Your ISP, Earthlink, is not one of them.
My ISP, unlike most, has an optional caching proxy server. I do not use it, which is why I'm seeing the change to the DNS record before you do.
Curtis Newton spake unto the masses in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
Thanks. Philip already emailed me with two of the pics. I thought they were unremarkable. The engine Philip showed me didn't have much sludge at all. I've seen far, FAR worse.
If you wish to send me them, please do.
Does anyone know of an additive that can be added to the oil that would clead sludge from a Toyota engine.
There is not such thing... snake oils notwithstanding. If you've got sludge.... ask yourself why? Reflect on your 5,000 mile oil service intervals.
Site works fine here. No proxy used. IP address reported by nslookup is same as above. I also tried telnet 69.56.130.147 on port 80, and I can GET pages manually. It's an Apache web server, by the way...
Luc K
I don't want to post the author's email address without asking, but here is his reply to my email.
"Yes, the site is still up.
-- Curtis Newton snipped-for-privacy@remove-me.akaMail.com
ICQ: 4899169
Your beginning to remind me of the famous Dead Parrot scene in Monty Python.
This parrot is dead No its not dead, its sleeping. Beautiful plumage Never mind the plumage, this parrot is dead!
Thanks for taking the time to post....there was definitely a debate on whether or not the site was up or down.
--- Curtis Newton snipped-for-privacy@remove-me.akaMail.com
ICQ: 4899169
Hey Tegger.... he's waitin' for ya!
"Luc Kumps" spake unto the masses in news:MD3Fb.88858$ snipped-for-privacy@phobos.telenet-ops.be:
This is getting curious.
My iStop DSL account comes with a built-in backup dialup account with a company called tht.net. Since I came up totally blank no matter whether I used my ISP's name server or my own, and no matter whether I went through port 80 to the IP or not, I just now tried dialing up and connecting to rms13.com with the dialup. The dialup DHCP server does not appear to replace my name server with its own, which is odd.
Well guess what? It worked. It's there. And just like Car Guy says, it says "Welcome Tegger!" (I'm famous!)
I have emailed tech support for my ISP to see if they have any info on this issue. Will report back as soon as I hear from them.
"Philip®" spake unto the masses in news:mp6Fb.12958$ snipped-for-privacy@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
Yeah. I just emailed tech support for my ISP. This is getting weird.
Do me a favor if you can? Go to that page on tegger.com where I said you changed your oil every 3K. If Earthlink has flushed its cache, you should see 4,500 in place of the 3,000.
If you see 4,500, then Earthlink flushes its cache in hours not days, and I've got an issue with my ISP.
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