'03 Peugeot Expert non-runner

Dec 06, 2008 5 Replies

My son has an '03 Expert with the 1.9 non-turbo engine. I think the code is XUD9A.



It stopped on the motorway; after recovery and a battery recharge it started and ran for a couple of days without a problem.



A few mornings ago, he only got 100 yards in it and it stopped again. I've been tinkering with it, but I'm far from familiar with diesels, so could use some help.



Sometimes it will run for a few seconds; sometimes a few minutes. When it stops, it's just like the key has been turned off. When it runs, it does so faultlessly.



When you turn the key to the position before pre-heat, there is a chattering noise coming from the stop solenoid that lasts for a second or two. (It actually sounds a bit like an old SU electric fuel pump!) This has lead me to suspect that the fault is either with the stop solenoid, or the electrical supply to it.



There are two wires to the solenoid. I don't have a wiring diagram, although the only manual available, a Peter Russek one, is in the post. I need to know what voltages I should expect on these two wires.



Someone who *might* know thinks the supply may be from the 5volt logic of the ECU. I am also wondering if the other wire does some sort of feedback for immobiliser purposes.



The stop solenoid is currently removed from the pump; is there any way of partially dismantling the valve so as to stop it operating? I realise this will mean it won't stop, but that's better ATM than it not running!



BTW, the whole fuel delivery system is in one unit. There is no separate lift pump. A dealer has suggested to supply and fit a new one would be getting close to £1,000, which would not be viable.



I would be grateful for any help.



TIA



Chris


Remove the plunger and spring from the stop soloniod, and it should run .

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I'm fairly certain that it's a 12V feed to the stop solenoid, if you take the tip off it disables it. You can buy the solenoid fairly easily, it should move without any stickiness.

Having now removed the stop solenoid, I can see that it is not like any other I've seen. There are no moving external parts that could be removed, or defeated. The actual valve part is internal, with no way of dismantling it.

The Peugeot dealer said "Yes we can supply one. That will be 220UKP plus VAT please Sir." Well, actually he didn't say Sir. Come to think of it, he didn't say please either...

Unwilling to risk such a ridiculous sum, I tried powering it up on the bench. Taking the warning I had been given about it being a 5 volt unit, I used a PC power supply. When connected to the 5V rail, I could hear the solenoid change state cleanly, with none of the chattering it makes when on the vehicle. I powered it on and off for 5 minutes, then left it on for about 15. I'm reasonably certain that if it was intended for 12V operation, it wouldn't pull in at 5V.

I measured the current it was pulling; it was around 400mA, which seems about right.

I'm now convinced the fault is the supply to the solenoid. I'm guessing that the ECU has a PCB mounted relay for the output, and the contacts of that are intermittently faulty.

I'm going to butcher a GPS type of car power supply that has a mini-USB connector. This should be 5V, and should be capable of supplying 500mA. I'll hook the solenoid up to that to see if I can make it run. I'll report success or otherwise later...

Chris

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