A question about Steel vs Stainless steel fasteners..

Hi,

While doing some work on my bike (not exactly the right newsgroup I know but hopefully acceptable) I have decided to replace the 8.8 plated capscrews with A4-80 stainless steel..

The reason for the A4-80 stainless that it has the same tensile strength as 8.8 steel..

After mentioning it to a friend of mine I was told that the problem would come when I tried to torque the capscrews because there is a different coefficient of friction between the plated steel and the stainless which would mean that if I used the torque values from the manual I would not get the required pressure.. The fasteners will be screwing into aluminium..

I have searched the internet and can't find any conclusive information that there will be a significant problem.. Where ever I have found a reference to the coefficient of friction that mentioned steel and stainless steel separately the values were the same or very slightly different but nothing dramatic..

So I figured the best place to ask for be here since there seem to be some very clever people in this newsgroup..

Anyone got any input on this or any references to sites with detailed information?

Thanks..

Reply to
WipeOut
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The values should be ~0.20 for steel & about 0.3 for stainless into alloy, that's a 50% difference.

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Reply to
Duncanwood

Thanks, thats a useful link..

So (in theory anyway) if the manual says I need to tighten it to 44NM with the OEM capscrews I would need to go to 66NM with the stainless to have the same amount of force..

Reply to
WipeOut

If the pretensions the critical/limiting factor. Obviously if the bolt's close to it's limit then that'll snap it, so an easier solution is a bit of molyslip & use the original value. You probably don't want to use stainless on anything where the pretensions critical as the fatigue lifes lower.

Reply to
Duncanwood

Bolt torques are set generally so that the bolt is being slightly stretched, without going into inelastic extension. Got no idea of how this compares for stainless VS boggo steel.

Reply to
Doki

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember WipeOut saying something like:

In an alloy casing? Given the makers' penchant for making them out of cheese, I'd be very careful about overtorqueing them by 50%.

Iiwy, I'd just torque them to normal and with some Loctite. Anyway, thousands of bike owners have successfully used SS fasteners over the years and haven't had any problems.

Reply to
Grimly Curmudgeon

While I have great respect for the Roymech site, any tribologist will tell you that you have to be very careful with friction coefficients from sources like this. Personally, what I would do here is to clean out the holes carefully because interference-type loads caused by debris can cause alloy or stainless to "pick-up", then lubricate with a moly grease, then torque to manufacturer's settings. Or use loctite if the manufacturer specifies it (not both!).

Reply to
Newshound

After long experience with Rover V-8 engines where many bolts go direct into ally, I always use 3Ms ScotchClad thread sealer. It lubricates, seals, locks and prevents corrosion.

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Dave Plowman (News)

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Reply to
Guy King

Very useful tip, I hadn't come across that product

Reply to
Newshound

If you look at a factory W/S manual for things like a P6 it was regarded as essential. You can only buy it in litre tins (about 30 quid) which is enough for about 50 engine rebuilds.

My first tin went solid while still about 3/4 full and 15 years. ;-)

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Dave Plowman (News)

Forgot to say it cures world poverty too.

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Dave Plowman (News)

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Reply to
Guy King

When I googled I found a rover owners NG posting which suggested it was also available rebadged as a rover spare. I'd be interested if anyone else has a source.

"The four long bolts must be coated with 3M EC776 thread lubricant - Rover part number 605764"

Reply to
Newshound

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