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How on earth does doubling the entry charge to drive into London 'clear up the air' as was just said on tv news?
The muck and shite is still there, it's just that those making the
charge get more money.
If they really want to clear up Londons air then the thing to do is to ban these cars from London altogether.
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On 23/10/2017 18:35, Graham T wrote:

Don't you think *some* drivers will be deterred?
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On 23/10/2017 20:50, newshound wrote:

The problem is that the only drivers that will be deterred will be the ones who cannot afford either the charge or to replace the car with a newer model. This is simply pricing the less well off off the road.
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Steve Walker wrote:

I can't see it making much odds. How many people actually drive into central London in 13+[1] year old cars on a daily/regular basis? If old car = low earning owner then they've surely already been put off by the £12-odd congestion charge.
[1] My 2004 car (like many) is Euro IV.
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On 23/10/2017 18:35, Graham T wrote:

And wood-burning stoves, which produce half the particulates in London's air.
Except, of course, it's a bit more difficult to tax those.
Anyway, Sadiq Khan was on the Today programme this morning and said it wasn't the wood-burning stoves per se, but what people burnt in them that caused the problems.
I'd never have guessed!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b099v2pr
2 hrs 10 mins in.
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Amusingly, my Trabant is exempt from the T-Charge.
(Shame it still qualifies for congestion charge, or we could have filled London's roads with Trabis)
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If they really want to clear up London's air then the thing to do is to ban diesel buses and taxis.
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You'd have thought they'd be welcoming the Uber driver's car of choice - the Mk3 Prius...
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On 23/10/2017 22:29, Steve H wrote:

By they do you mean Sadiq Khan or the 850,000 people who signed the petition in favour of renewing the Uber licence in London.
Sadiq is a sorry disappointment after the previous reasonably competent mayors.
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I must admit he makes Boris look almost sane, and that takes some doing.
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You've not had any dealings with a Boris bus, then? ;-)
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On 24/10/2017 00:51, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Boris Bus? The New Routemaster? What is wrong with them?
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Where to start.
They take up more road space due to that silly second staircase. One is quite enough for the number of passengers they can carry on top.
They were designed to have a conductor - but the extra £60k odd this would cost per year per bus means it was soon dropped.
The windows don't open - they rely on AC to keep them cool (and heat). That breaks down as often as the buses themselves.
They are dreadfully unreliable. Drive down any route they're used on and you'll likely see one with its legs in the air.
They are stupidly expensive at about £350k each - even more so given they are now expected to have a short service life.
Just another vanity project by one who would have done better to consult experts.
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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It has now been agreed to retro-fit them with opening windows.
The original designer, Thomas Heatherwick, had wanted them from the start but was over-ruled.

Indeed, or at least take note of what the experts told them in the first place.
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The windows are also rather small - giving a sort of hemmed in feeling not present in other buses. (I actually enjoy using buses out of rush hour - more pleasant way to get somewhere than the tube if not in a rush.)

Well quite. What many liked about the original Routemaster (and other old buses) was you could hop off wherever it was going slow enough. Not possible with doors. And having a cheery clippie. Long gone to save money.
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On 24/10/2017 00:51, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Many car wing mirrors had 'dealings' with Kens bendy 'free' buses.
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Indeed, and the lorries.
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On 23/10/2017 22:26, Huge wrote:

And all wood-burning stoves. And all trucks and lorries.
And all fireworks displays.
And all bonfires.
And the weather.
That should do it.
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A tad facetious. I used to go to New York a lot on business and it's very noticeable how much cleaner the air was there than in London. There are very few diesel vehicles operating in NY. Stand in Oxford Street and watch the plumes of visible filth being spewed out by the buses and taxis (Oxford Street is closed to private motorists). I'd have thought that the bus and taxi fleet was an ideal population for some kind of low-emission technology. Perhaps someone should have thought of that when they replaced the bus fleet?
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On 24/10/2017 10:04, Huge wrote:

Actually, it's not noticeable to a casual observer. That's why it has to be measured using specialist equipment. And it's very easy to think cold dry air, as you often get in New York, is 'cleaner' when it isn't.
"New York City is known for many things, but having clean air isn’t one of them."
"The city recently estimated that up to 2,700 premature deaths a year could be attributed to fine particulate matter and ozone in the air—more than eight times the number of murders that took place in 2013."
http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2016/06/06/air-quality-pollution-new-york-city/

Maybe they should.
And about wood-burning stoves, trucks, lorries, fireworks displays, bonfires and the weather.
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