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Are you sure it came from the EU?

It was only recently that the ban was about to be adopted in Austria but the recent change of gov. there led to reversal of that decision and it looks like smoking will continue to be permitted in bars etc.

I can understand why people don't want smoking to be allowed in public buildings, bars, etc. I've no issue with it being banned- even as a pipe smoker.

The UK smoking ban was nothing to do with the EU it was the English government who did it. The ban was already in force in the other countries of the UK.

Volvo did patent the 3 point belt. But instead of asking for license fees for 20 years they made it available free of royalty.

Three point seat belts aren't standardized.

Every make's latch and anchors are different. Can't put the rear outside buckles in the center seat belt anchors, the latch plates are different shapes.

Front seat sill anchor on '84 Celica was a bar about 10" long with 2 bolts on door post and sill. The belt looped round and slid along the bar. When taken off it slid back to the rear of bar so it was out of way of rear seat passengers. When pulled out to be latched the belt slid to the front of the bar. On other cars its a plate pivoting on a bolt or a wire rope to an eye bolt.

Yes, we imagined it might have been.

It might have been 'better' (for all of us and in the long term even) if you had actually thought it through. :-(

What *exactly* did you vote for and at what point will you consider you have got it?

Would a 50% reduction of migrant from the EU be ok?

Would only 20% of our laws and rules being made by the EU be ok?

Would us only paying £160M/week to the EU be ok?

What if that's how it turns out, will you ask for another referendum to see if you can actually get what you thought your vote meant?

Cheers, T i m

Quite. Even as a smoker I was all in favour of it. Although it was perhaps too draconian.

This is a perfect example of how people like Doom blame things on the EU. And others believe them. Standard Express etc tactics.

I always like the yanks and the two door mercs, where an arm comes out holding the seat belt, so you don't struggle to reach it.

I was thinking it was like Remainer tactics who decried those who voted to leave. ;-)

Nope, *exactly* like Leaver tactics ... good chance it's going to be bad for you and when fully considered makes no good sense to the vast majority. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Except, I smoke a pipe and not only support the ban but, when looking for somewhere to smoke it, actively seek to avoid anyone it could bother.

Your issue is, you being is it a left, right or perhaps no-brainer, you assume everyone is as short sighted as you.

R4 had a piece yesterday, a sort of street poll. The astonishing thing was a couple of people who'd voted Leave acknowledged that Brexit was probably going to be a car crash that they hadn't foreseen, but said they'd vote leave again for reasons they couldn't give. One bloke went into a fit of nervous giggles.

R4 is BBC, say no more.

Perhaps you'd read this thread and check who introduced the EU into it. Gratefully followed up on by Brexiteers making up lies to support their misguided decision.

Absolutely. The Mail and Express are the only ones who give the truth about the EU. BTW, did those 3 million Turks actually make it to the UK? If so where are they hiding?

Tends to be the case. Even they get fed up quoting catch phrases like 'sovereignty' and others they use but don't understand.

If you believe the media then that accounts for a lot.

Ok? Are they good for you then and everone else OOI?

As would any 'sensible person' ... (in 'public places' and cars / houses with children or pets etc). ;-)

Excellent. You aren't looking for praise for that though are you Brian? That would be like me saying I stopped myself playing a trumpet right next to your ear? ;-) The reason it was called 'passive smoking' is the person suffering it was passive to the experience and wasn't, other that their happenstance of 'just being there' (in many cases) impacting on anyone by their passiveness. Someone smoking was doing something 'active' and often without any consideration to those around them (even if they didn't actually protest). We are back to the difference between something that wasn't illegal but may well have been at best, socially unacceptable and could be considered a form of assault.

This is still very much like Brexit where a minority of the electorate are forcing their habit on everone else, nearly as many who have actively said they don't want it and nearly the same again who didn't express an opinion (because they didn't wasn't to offend anyone actively acting against them (or have a say in the matter, like employees, children and pets).

And by 'anyone it could bother', you mean potentially 'everyone breathing downwind of you for a reasonable distance'?

I *regularly* smell other people who are smoking pot, sometimes from the car in front of me or from a back garden several doors down (and not counting those smoking in the street as I walk past them). I'd rather not smell it, just like I'd rather not smell B.O. or cat mess or other sewage.

I'm *pretty sure*, few if any of those inflicting such on me can never smell anything of / from me or anything I'm doing. An exception might be if I'm treating a fence (once every 10 years). I don't even have BBQ's, partly because I have a fully functional kitchen and partly because I prefer not to subject my neighbours to the side effects of the process.

Only a left brainer would draw that conclusion from what I've said on the matter?

1) e.g. It's not all about you Brian. ;-) 2) I didn't need anyone to tell me that smoking was dangerous (in many ways) or anti-social. 3) The world (well, many countries) have managed (possibly reluctantly, considering the cash they take off people wanting to set fire to their money) have taken the step to force those who aren't as considerate as you, to be so (in some public places at least).

Cheers, T i m

Lovely (not). ;-(

Probably embarrassment!

The fact is of course that the Brexiteers (not one of them) can answer the question 'Are you happy your vote worked out the way you thought' as two years no *no one* knows how it's going to turn out!

So, if they got the cumulative reasons that all Brexiteers gave re leaving then they would all be happy. Given the chances of that are low to nil, exactly where would all of them draw the line admitting it simply isn't what they wanted and the cost (to all of us), is just_too_much?

We know the fanatic Brexiteers have no such line and you hear them saying 'That's what we (where 'we' equals 1/3rd of the electorate and just over 50% of those who voted) voted for so for that reason alone, we *must* go ahead with it, no matter what the outcome ... ???

So much for them wanting *real* democracy. ;-(

Maybe they accepted that the EU referendum was really only advisory and therefore the normal rules didn't apply (like campaign cheating and lying). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Excellent Brexiteer. Snip things to make them say what you want them to. Or more likely not understand what was said.

Is there such a thing? ;-)

You can see why they try it on though ... what else have they got to justify their position?

Ignoring all their 'hopes' and 'gut feelings', racism and bigotry, I'd love even one of them to say list all the things that bother them but be honest enough to cite all the things, both pro and con that go along with that.

Like, Streater bleats on about our 'parliamentary sovereignty' but I would suggest:

1) Most people don't have a clue how that being partly in the hands of the EU really means to them in a RW everyday sense. 2) How it would be any different (ITRW) if it was as he wants it to be?

I mean, it all sounds very principled and good meaning but what if those principals cost us big time and for no tangible benefit to the vast majority?

Do the vast majority want to be dictated to by the likes of Streater and his idealistic principals and at any cost?

Principals don't pay the mortgage or put food on the table.

And we aren't talking not having any principals at all, we are just talking about which office in the EU most of the laws of the UK / EU are written up (given that most of them came from us in the first place etc)?

IMHO It's all an unnecessary waste of time and money ... especially in these uncertain times. I would suggest most people have more important things to be worrying about and most ordinary people (who may have only tossed a coin to determine how they voted in the first place), just want it all over. They only say that because they think once it's done that's it ... rather than the start of what could be a very different (and possibly much poorer world) for all of us.

So Brexiteers, give us some real facts (that you *must* be basing your crusades on?) and see if it is of interest to 'most people' and at any cost?

Cheers, T i m