Running lean issues update

mk4 golf 1.6 2001 AZD engine.

I gave up trying to figure out why my cars running lean and took it to the garage. Reputable local place. The mechanic couldn't find a air leak. Checked other stuff too. And I told him I changed the temp sensor and he reckons the ecu is trying to re-learn the fuel trim settings for the new sensor as the coolant temp sensor reponse to ecu does something with the fuel ... something about the engine temperature and fuel settings.

He reckons clearing the fault on a diagnostic machine is not the same as obd II or something where he would connect up directly to the ecu to reset the trim settings, so it could re-learn them from the new coolant temp sensor base settings.

He said both lambda are working fine. and could find nothing else wrong.

He did say that as I cleared the fault on my handheld if I just drive it around and see how it goes, check the colour of the plugs in a while and take it from there, and check the scanner for fault codes coming back up.

He also advised me that it could be a MAF problem BUT he then said my car doesn't have a MAF but a MAP (whats that?) I didn;t get a chance to ask. He said that might very need replacing.

Anyone have any thought on this ?

Thanks

Reply to
Dubber
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Reply to
DB.

Okey dokey to clarify thats a MAP sensor!

Reply to
Dubber

why do you think it is weak?

Reply to
Mrcheerful

Sorry mrc if wha is weak *brain like a doodah today*

Reply to
Dubber

running lean and running weak are the same thing.

Reply to
Mrcheerful

Doh right I'm woth you now. Basically a few months ago I do a engine check light, I did a diagnostic scan and showed the Pre-cat lambda at fault which was changed last year and is less than 20k old. I cleared the fault and it didn't come back. So I did my usual routine scan and it says its running lean on b1 s1 fuel trim. Also the colour of the plugs are a whitish colour.

So basically ot answer the question becuase of the error codes, and the condition of the spark plugs really. Other than that the car drives great as usual.

He also said if I keep driving the car I could risk damaging the CAT which will be costly to replace.

He said he had a "hunch" it could be the MAP and then mentioned something about a speed sensor ...?

But said to drive it for about a week and re-scan it and then bring it back if the plugs are still white and the error code returns.

Reply to
Dubber

well it is the usual : check for inlet or exhaust leaks, check fuel pressure, replace lambda sensors, replace injectors.

Do you have a standard car or are there any mods?

Do you use good quality or supermarket fuel?

If it runs well ignore it till it develops (as my neighbour advises !)

Reply to
Mrcheerful

Dubber pretended :

Rather than checking the Flow (MAFlow), it works on Pressure (MAPressure). The MAP will have some small bore pipes leading to it from the manifold, so it can measure the pressure in the manifold and cables feeding to the ECU.

Reply to
Harry Bloomfield

I guess if I have to ask how to check for exhaust leaks and fuel pressure might be best left to the man who can although I've learned to do so much over the years frm a bit of research and am willing to get my hands dirty so might give diagnosing this lot a go myself. I know you top of the game round here how would I start with checking the exhaust leaks and fuel pressure ? and faulty injectors. Although touching injector is that not likely it will be leaky afterwards ? (justsomething I remember reading many moons ago)

No mods.

Usually supermarket fuel, tesco stuff, or shell rarely.

I think I'll try that first. I might replace the MAP (not MAF) sensor and see if that improves things first after a week or so of driving.

Front lambda was done last year, butI guess a possibility its gone. But I'll hold off on changing that as its over a £100 :-s

Reply to
Dubber

If it's dieing then your driveability will go to pot, if it's got decent throttle response then ignore it.

If it's gone that quickly then something else is probably wrong.

Reply to
Duncan Wood

exhaust leaks are easiest found by blocking the exhaust (with the engine running) and listening.

inlet leaks are found by listening with a tube and spraying round every engine bit that could possibly leak air in with carb cleaner, any change in engine speed would indicate a fault.

try good fuel for a tank or three.

Reply to
Mrcheerful

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