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I think it is more of a 'cover yourself every way you can' and that means making people accountable, if they put their name on it they might as well have actually done it. Nitrogen isn't snake oil. The larger molecule size means you don't need to blow up your tyres so often as the inherent leakiness of rubber is reduced.

Mrcheerful

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Mrcheerful
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Larger than what, might I ask?

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Alec McKenzie
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I'm sceptical of the benefits, but found this:

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If it's something that the tyre fitting establishment is doing for free, why not?

Chris

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Chris Whelan

from the internet: In a tire filled with compressed air, the oxygen molecules tend to "migrate" through the wall of the tire over time. That's why, when you open the garage to check on your aunt's dust-covered 1980 Pontiac the tires are often flat. But nitrogen molecules migrate 3 to 4 times more slowly than oxygen, so tires stay properly inflated longer. There are other benefits. Nitrogen retains less heat than oxygen and therefore allows tires to run cooler.

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Mrcheerful

I repeat, larger than what?

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Alec McKenzie

Larger than the 78% of nitrogen molecules natrally present in normal compressed air.....

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SteveH

SteveH ( snipped-for-privacy@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH)) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

Fine, so only 22% of the pressure in the tyres will leak out - so pump 'em up to 22% over the intended pressure, then leave until they drop back to the target figure - and you've got pure nitrogen...

(Ferrari F1 use CO2, btw. But I didn't tell you that.)

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Adrian

The OP probably thinks that the article implies that nitrogen molecules are larger than oxygen molecules because they don't migrate through the rubber so quickly.

I would have thought that O2 was a larger molecule than N2, as it has both a higher atomic weight and a higher atomic number, BICBW.

I had been told ages ago that N2 filling was advantageous because it prevented the rubber from oxidising - but I've never given it a lot of thought. I doubt that it has any effect on the life of the tyre, unless perhaps the tyre is very seldom used so that it degrades before it wears out.

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Cynic

Cynic (Cynic ) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

Even then, you'd have to have the outside of the tyre protected from oxygen, too. Which - I'd suggest - is kinda difficult...

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Adrian

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Clive George

apparently an oxygen molecule is about 3 percent smaller than a nitrogen molecule. nitrogen leaks more slowly than plain air according to all the experts.

Mrcheerful

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Mrcheerful

I suspect the biggest advantage is it means there's no water vapour in there.

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Duncan Wood

The question is, how much is "more slowly". The answer is that two or three times "bugger all" is still "bugger all".

N2 is used by Costco as a marketing exercise for car tyres.

In other applications, filling with N2 has advantages when things get hot - ie there's nothing to burn. But that doesn't apply to car tyres.

cheers, clive

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Clive George

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it must have been a bad day - sorry

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Martin

How would that be an advantage? When it gets really cold, it doesn't matter if there is black ice *inside* the tyre!

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Ronald Raygun

You're not confused. Or at least, you weren't.

Martin is, though.

A torque wrench is for tightening nuts *up* to specified torque settings. You shouldn't undo nuts with them, although apparently some can withstand such abuse better than others.

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PCPaul

No, but when it gets hot it disproportionatly increases your tyre pressure.

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Duncan Wood

Got any numbers for that? I suspect the answer is "pretty small".

cheers, clive

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Clive George

Ooh

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Duncan Wood

People in Rhodesia who drove on the dirt roads used to fill their tyres with water - it gives a higher probability of surviving a landmine. It certainly reduced the tyre life *significantly*.

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Cynic

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