Why diesels?

You probably never will be. I drive petrol cars personally but would really like to get a modern diesel, I just can't afford one. I drive an Astra 1.7 TDI van occassionally for my work and I have been very impressed with the torque and power of the thing. It would positively eat my Laguna 8v 1.8 for breakfast as it is a gutless old thing and just doesn't rev. My Laguna also barely returns 30mpg. The van does a minimum of 45mpg. Go figure.

the 2.0TDi is not a modern common rail diesel - you need to go out in a

The best diesels are the Merc V6 320, BMW 530/535/330/335, Volvo D5, Jag/Ford/PSA 2.7 V6, Audi/VW V10/V8, Fiat/GM JTD, Honda 2.2. All have power, refinement and economy.

Jings. How times change.

I bet your next car is French Tim. (c:

Douglas

Try a Peugeot/Citroen hdi. That should convince. DaveK.

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The C4 VTS+ HDi that I drove the other weekend was *damned* good - but it was still DEFINITELY diseasel.

Very very good for a diesel, but definitely a diesel.

BIG fat wodge of torque - across a small rev range. 1st so low that you're immediately changing up, but 2nd just *that* bit too high to comfortably pull away.

Quiet and smooth - until you did something *slightly* unusual. When we got back here, I drove past the house, turned round in the junction 100yds up the hill, 1st, few revs, over-run down to the house. Jesus wept. It's definitely a diesel. I SAID, IT'S A DIESEL! PARDON? MORE TEA, VICAR? YES, DEAR, LOVELY DAY FOR IT.

I know someone with a W reg vectra 2.0 diesel and although OK i don't think i'd have one, slow as stink setting off but once it's moving theres nothing to moan about although it is a bit noisy in the cab. On the other hand my father in law has an audi A4 1.9TDi and thats fantastic, it's still obviously a diesel from the noise but it's got plenty of power and is incredibly refined plus it does about 600 miles to a tank, just wating till the day i can have one :)

CO2 taxation, basically. But they can be quite nice motorway cars because of the higher torque and hence gearing, and they don't suffer from the problems associated with the HT system on a petrol car.

Their biggest Achilles heel, apart from a dubious lifetime cost advantage and nasty PM10 particulate emissions, is people putting petrol in the tank. This b0rks a common-rail diesel to the extent that you might have to scrap it if it's a few years old and not worth the £4000 repair.

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You'd like the 2.5 TDi. Slides gently around gracefully at legal speeds doing around 1500 rpm. I got nearly 800 miles out of a tank a while ago.

..and neither were Vauxhall so now they tend to use a lot of Fiat JTD engines even after the breakdown of their original partnership plans. Next time, try a modern diesel - they are nothing like old diesels!

Japanese. And diesel. I've always held the opinion, and voiced the opinion, that the only reason to go diesel is for cost saving - I needed to halve my fuel bill and went to a smaller diesel to do it. Our next car is only diesel because the cost difference was minimal (and I rarely drive it...)

Naah - Merc S320CDi... works every time. Or an XJ6.

Hi All,

My first exposure to diesel (apart from sliding about on the stuff as a motorcyclist) was in this Peugeot powered (if that's the right term 'powered' ) Rover 218SD. (1.9 non turbo)

It was 'given' (well 100 quid) to me by a mate (I know 'some mate' ) but I'll have to say for my purposes it's pretty good.

Going from a 2LGL Sierra estate it was quite a shock performance wise (accelleration and towing mainly but also handeling (by comparison)) but a bigger shock was how much further 20 quids worth of fuel took me .. like double the distance!

Never had power steering, electric sunroof, electric windows before .. and with 175k on the clock it still looks ok and does what it says on the tin?

Not as much room in the back as the ole Sierra though .. mind you .. I currently have all the seats out of a 2D Metro in the back of the Rover .. (waiting to go in the kitcar ) ;-)

My brother in law has a diesel Merc (summat) and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't know *that* was a diesel from inside ... (apart from by the fuel gauge that is) ;-)

All the best ..

T i m

i hade a mercedes e class diesel for 2 years

great car, did 50mpg plus to gallon on motoroway servce every 18-20k miles

smooth ,quite & reliable

So that's the diesel bit of the argument sorted, but the Japanese bit???

Just because it's powered my Dr D's Evil Invention shouldn't mean you have to sit in a grey plastic tomb whilst driving it.

Accord CDTi?

In news: snipped-for-privacy@smash-spam-sizefitter.com, Johannes decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows

"The van does a minimum of 45mpg. Go figure" "All have power, refinement and *economy*." "I've always held the opinion, and voiced the opinion, that the only reason to go diesel is for *cost saving* "

I think that's the answer then. Diesels are owned by cheapskates. The refinement bit is bollocks.

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Diesel on a spring morning reminds me of many happy Eastertime holidays on a narrowboat.

Are you Jeremy Clarkson?