Would it not be too much to ask.......

.......that manufacturers applied a reasonably amount of grease to the end of any bolts involved in holding a spare wheel in place, as it's a seldom used item, and as such (especially given its position in the car) potentially reasonably likely to seize up, resulting in it snapping when you want to take the thing off.

On the Fiesta a while back, when I was down at the part worn tyres place getting a spare for it, the bolt holding up the spare wheel cradle was seized up, and when me and the guy there tried to loosen it, it snapped (I'd previously managed by just unhooking the hook, but for some reason that time the hook wanted lowering a bit. Ever since then the spare wheel's sat in the back of the van, and the spare wheel cradle (empty) has been held up with a cable tie.

On the Audi today I got a puncture, and pulled into the petrol station (conveniently located), pulled up the boot floor and all the other bits I need to to get to the spare, and it's held in by some sort of plastic device that looks like it rotates. Fair enough, this thing rotates - easy enough. Nope. It doesn't want to rotate. A couple of little plastic catches that look like they might release, but I try, and nope. Linger in petrol station until someone with an Audi comes in - nobody does, but I harrass some bloke with a newish Giolf estate - he doesn't know unless it rotates. Me a bit stuck. Put a load of air in the tyre (up to about 40psi) as the stone causing the punture is still in there, so it's not losing air super-quick, and get over to Chiswick (was on the A4, just west of the Hammersmith Flyover) and phone scoot for a tyre place in Chiswick. There's one just the other end of the high road, so pop in there, ask one of the guys there for a hand, he tells me it should rotate, and I ask him to come out with a hammer and chisel so we can destroy this plastic thing and get at the spare wheel. Eventually get the plastic thing off, and basically this plastic thing has got a hex shape in the middle that's supposed to grip on the bolt head to rotate it, but the bolt was too tight so it was just slipping. He tried to undo the bolt, but it was stiff, then it snapped (right at the end that screws into the bodywork), so I've got a lovely remainder of a bolt to drill out at the weekend.

But both of these instances wouldn't have happened if the manufacturers had put some grease on the end of the bolt to prevent it seizing up. I mean, let's look at the evidence - it's something that's (hopefully) quite seldom used, and it's situated right on the underside of the car and quite exposed to the elements - surely it would make sense.

Peter

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AstraVanMan
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this also doesn't occur with proper servicing.

MrCheerful

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MrCheerful

A colleague of mine had a Xsara with the external spare wheel cradle. It has a sort of hook on a bolt holding the cradle up and this bolt must be loosened to unhook the cradle. Anyway, on this Xsara the whole assembly was covered in white grease, apparently the Citroen dealer she uses to get the car serviced are a bit thorough.

My Xantia has the same arrangement, and it was rather rusty last time I had it off, I don't think it had ever seen lubrication in it's life, and prior to my getting it, it had main dealer servicing.

I suppose sometimes you get proper full servicing and some times you don't, but a tiny little bit of oil in the right place means the difference between being able to remove your spare wheel and not, or being stranded with a puncture or not.

-- James

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James

I'll bet it says 'remove spare and check' at every major service. But will rarely be done.

Little story. I bought my one owner 5 Series secondhand from a main dealer with a comprehensive warranty after they'd done their 1 million point check which returns the car to as new.

At the first inspection while still under warranty, they phoned up and said there was a nail in the spare and should they replace it. Yes, I said, and you can pay for it too, since I'd never even looked at it let alone used it. Oh no, they said, it's not covered by warranty.

Or by their 'comprehensive' pre-sale check. Unless the factory put out cars with faulty spares...

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Dave Plowman

Quite possibly. It had a full Audi dealer service history with stamps in the book at 10k, 14k, 25k, 30k and 40k, and after that oil + filter changes every 6k starting at 50k, with air filter and fuel filter every other oil change, plus belts, brake discs/pads, wipers etc etc., done at the appropriate intervals, and tyres / CV boots / battery / wheel bearings / anything else done as required, so it has been pretty well maintained. FWIW I've just looked through the Audi book and nowhere does it actually mention checking the spare. Very odd. Still, never mind, it won't be too expensive to sort out.

What happened in the end? Did you kick up a fuss and get a result?

Peter

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AstraVanMan

A lot of the breakdowns i attend I have the same problem,Spare wheel retainer bolts all seized up,And what amazes me is that some have just come out of a main dealer service!Wouldn't take 2 mins of there time to do, as they're suppose to check the spare....

Steve

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Steev

SNIP

It's like this: The unlubricated bolt is perfectly capable of being unscrewed at any time during the warranty period. It's designed and engineered to be so.

Once the warranty has expired, f*ck you.

Serriously though, whenever I acquire a new (to me) vehicle, I give a day or so to seeing to the things I know won't have been properly looked after even if any servicing has taken place, which let's be honest is unlikely. Nobody spends money on servicing when they know the vehicle is going to be sold soon. I always remove and inspect the spare (they're usually knackered anyway), and make sure I can undo it with equipment carried on the vehicle, not what I've got in the garage. Also go over things like greasing the door checkstraps, making sure the drain holes in the bottom of the doors are clear etc.

Always assume the previous owner was a lying bastard who abused the vehicle and forged any service history.

He was.

Call me a cynic, see if I care.

Steve

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shazzbat

There's a moral here somewhere... One of the jobs I do whenever I get a new (to me) car, is to remove all the wheels nuts, copper-grease them, and do them up to a torque I know I can undo again. I think, as 4 of my cars have the spare under the back, I'll start loosening them up with WD40, and then a bit of grease. Could save having a story like that to tell

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r

Heh, about sums things up these days. The spare wheel isn't even mentioned in the service schedule! Still, won't be too much effort to drill the remainder out, get a replacement bolt (hopefully find one from a breakers if that doesn't snap as well!), and slap a load of grease on the end of it.

Lucky for me this one was a private sale - owned by his mate from new until

50k, then by him until 100k, so he's known the car from new. Definitely one of the good ones.

Heh! It always helps to be in this day and age. A while back a mate of mine bought a Metro GTi off some fella that claimed it hadn't had a penny spared in maintaining it, and that it had just had a new cambelt, so it didn't worry him. It snapped on him. Said it would have been easy enough to put a new belt on, but stupidly trusted the bloke's word. Now this Audi, according to the little notebook the previous owner kept (follows on from the Audi dealer history) had a new cambelt at 57k, and the recommended interval is 60k, so it's got a little while left. I haven't got any parts receipts or garage receipts (should have asked, but the guy was as straight as the day is long), but it was his pride and joy for 4 years (even had his private plate put on), so it does seem fairly likely that everything had been done properly.

Anyway, I'm going to find a VW/Audi specialist garage that won't charge the earth, and get it in for a major service (including gearbox oil change, PAS fluid change, brake fluid change, coolant change, all filters etc etc.) plus cambelt, which will probably be best part of £400-£500, but then that'll be pretty much the only major expense I'll have for at least a year or two, all I'll then need to do is oil + filter, air filter and fuel filter changes, plus keep a good eye on things, and it should last a fair while!

From now on I'd ideally only want to do oil and filter changes, and leave the rest to those who know what they're doing :-)

If I follow that simple policy, plus keep it clean inside and out, and avoid crashing the thing, then it should do me a very good service and last me a very long time - we'll see I suppose!

Peter

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AstraVanMan

Good advice there - cheers to everyone who's responded. Will probably remove, copper-grease and re-torque all the wheel nuts at the weekend. Well, knowing my luck I won't get it done for a little while, but the wheel nuts on the wheel I replaced the other day came off with no more than a little body weight applied to the standard wheel brace.

Peter

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AstraVanMan

Whilst you're having the cambelt done , change the tensioner (I'm waiting for a new one at the moment)

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Duncan Wood

Definitely - was planning to do that as a matter of course. Not quite sure whether or not to get the water pump replaced along with the cambelt - I've heard about issues with the water pumps seizing and destroying the cambelt, but this one hasn't given any problems in its life, so I'm thinking it's maybe better to leave it be. Then again, it won't be too much more to get it done, and it's probably worth it for that extra peace of mind.

Peter

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AstraVanMan

Which engine is it?

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Duncan Wood

It's the 2.5TDi 140bhp 5-cylinder donk.

Peter

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AstraVanMan

I'd change the pump, it's only going to add the cost of the part to the job .

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Duncan Wood

IMHO, you *never* win with a dealer. I'd no way of proving I hadn't used the spare.

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Dave Plowman

RIP "The customer is always right" then :-(

Peter

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AstraVanMan

Quite the reverse with my local dealer. Luckily - touch wood - I've not needed them other than for servicing.

I've not used them since they've changed their name and possibly ownership for the third time in as many years. I'm due for a service shortly according to the lights so I'll see what they get wrong this time. ;-)

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Dave Plowman

Isn't that what you said about the fiesta?

cheers, clive

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Clive George

Saucer of milk to table 9 please :-)

Pete.

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Pete Smith

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