Me thinks that where there is smoke, there is a spot of fire. I would love
to own a new Merc (I drive an old w123 230E) but they are not the cars they
used to be. Audi for one have made huge improvements and our local edition
of Car magazine has given the A8 the nod over the s500, so it is not all
just subjective opinion by a vocal minority. My brother in law has recently
purchased a new C220 cdi and whilst it is a lovely vehicle, I don't believe
that I will be seeing any of them on the roads in ten years time. Have a
look at how improved Jaguars are now; competition is in plentiful supply and
MB appear to have taken their eye off the ball.
My two cents worth, so please don't be petty with your replies.
Oh do expect them to be petty....trust me on that one.
Just you keep driving that old w123, they are the best.
In fact the new fully loaded car I had was a c220cdi, 2001 model.
Lovely car (aren't all new cars lovely at first) but then I noticed
that it wasn't perfect (wasn't the MB motto "the best or nothing" ??).
Awful turbo lag and silly little things done on the cheap like, alloy
wheels which started bubbling after first 5 months and needed to be
replaced, plastic roof strips coming away after a lengthy drive,
plastic hinges which even an idiot could see wouldn't last after
several usages. But, I loved the dash board layout (for once an MB
dash that worked !). Oh yeah, forgot, also the paintwork on the front
of the car was chipping after only a few thousand miles (wonder why
they've redesigned this now ??). Oh yes, and when I sold it, after
one year (yes, I know not the way to own a car, but I needed to), it
lost over 33% in depreciation (I thought MB's were value cars ??.
I've owned 2 W123s and they are simply the best. My one that got
stolen was just a plain vanilla 200d, bit too slow (I'd have prefered
a 300d) but it was a great 20year old car. Sooooo solid. My other
one was a w123 280ce, beautiful car, so solid on the motorway and a
great cruiser around town etc.
It's just like you say, MBs of old do last 20-40 years that's what
made them great. But the current crop, I can't see lasting as long.
Too much plastic/electronics. And clear signs of cost-cutting.
BTW, the A8 you mention is just outrageously awesome - they depreciate
like hell though. But I'll definitely look at buying one one day (a
nice 3-4 year old) when I'm ready.
My 2001 c320 sport wagon stickered for $48,000 (I could have bought an
A6 or an allroad and got all wheel drive for the same price)... I am
very dissapointed... and even more dissapointed with MBUSA response
(offered $3,000 for all my troubles!).
so far I have had the following problems:
Window auto close malfunction.
Several bulbs blowing out prematurely.
Air bag sensor malfunction - several times.
Voice recognition malfunctioning on and off for 2 years Still not fixed
Seat / steering wheel / mirror memory problems 10 plus visits - Still
Wood trim coming off (dash & shifter area) 4 visits
Heater vent problems 3 visits
Gas gauge malfunction.
Cargo area cover unlatching. 2 visits
Cargo area seal leaking Still not fixed
Driver door seal leaking 2 times and Still not fixed.
Hatchback not latching for several visits.
Steering wheel grinding problems
Fog lamp ³fogging² on two occasions.
Floor mats latch broke.
Sway bushings went bad
Lower control arm went bad.
Mass flow sensor had to be replaced
Mirror reverse problems.
Seatbelt jamming 3 visits
Window trim leaking 2 visits
Hatchback trim leaking 2 visits
Doors rattling 3 visits - Still not fixed
Dash rattling 5 visits (every time they "fix" it, the rattle "moves" to
another spot) -Still not fixed.
Cup holder breaks 3 visits
Back seats not latching 2 visits
Ceiling panel loose in cargo area
SOS malfunction on several occasions (they found nothing even after the
dash read "see repair shop")
Replaced rear window washer fluid pump.
Sorry to hear of your problems, they sound like a *lot* more than I
But I forgot to add a few more that I had;
Airconiditioning (in fact I opted for the *luxury climate control*, we
won't argue even that the design of this was awfully slow in operation
(I wrote to MB Headquarters about this I was so surprised that a
designer couldn't have forseen this) but it operated very
inefficiently. I had it checked it took them 1.5days and they said it
was working normally (remember "the best or nothing")
Fog lamps kept getting condensation and so were replaced (MB accepted
this was a design fault)
Driver's seat moved around corners (MB accept this as a common design
I too had various problems with the auto reversing mirror.
I'm terrified with this post. Just posted another message asking if I shd
buy an '03 C240 XS. Coming from a Volvo '98 V70 R AWD- horror show of a car.
I will never buy a Volvo again- after having owned 4!
My other option is an '03 Highlander Limited with 19,000 km on it for the
same price as a new '03 MB I mentioned. Hmmm. worried now. But your
comments are great!!!
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:40:41 -0500, "deborah nixon"
All I can say is that this report is anecdotal and not statistically
significant. The same can be said for my experience, posted here as
well, which is almost diametrically opposed. No significant problems
since July 2002.
I don't understand your beef here.
If you are to reply in this standard manner to each and every post
then sure you are going to catch reports on a singular basis.....
Errmm yeah which doesn't make *them* singular then does it ?
Maybe you want me to purchase a thousand cars and then report in one
singular instance the problems with that sample of vehicles.
Sorry, no can do.
On 5 Mar 2004 12:20:27 -0800, lager firstname.lastname@example.org (Tosher) wrote:
Sure you can take this view and I do not raise this issue all the
time, only whe I think it important. My comment was intended to make
the point that individual reports, mine as well as yours, are just
single events. They may or may not be representative of the entire
population of experiences. That does not invalidate them.
Each one is.
Too bad. That might provide some really useful info. ;-)
To be fair I had problems with my 1998 Volvo XC too.
I do understand that a lot of my problems have been removed in the newer
models...this could be my fault for buying a model that was in it's
second year of production in the 2001 models... I do believe that my car
is a lemon, and I am pretty sure tha not all c320 are like this...but I
have heard rumblings at the dealership service counter that C owners are
"Ditto--snob appeal is the only calling card--i speak from
snob to practicle thank you.."
The above was sent to me to my email account, so I'll keep it anonymous.
lager email@example.com (Tosher) wrote in message
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