: I just had a look at the new Toyota Avensis today, and it occured to me,
: on earth does the Merc C class justify its much higher list price? The
: interior of the "new" Ford Mondeo looks pretty plush too.
: So is it just for the badge?
Nope. It's for the quality which means longevity. My uncle was in town
yesterday (he's from Dallas) and as he admired my MB he stated
matter-of-factly that he put 200,000 miles on each of his last two before
trading them in, and got what he wanted for them. Do you really expect that
from a Toyota?
Church of the Swimming Elephant
Have you been to church today?
No. It's not just the badge. They will drive the same a 2, 5, 10 years. I
know because I've owned many and once you get into one you'll have a hard
time accepting anything else. Resale is better on MB than anything else
except maybe a Honda.
:-) I wonder what world you live in. Toyotas are excellent but
there's not much left of them after 20 years. This will most likely
be true of the current crop of MB, for the last 8-10 years too though.
I have an '85 300SD with around 500,000KM with it... granted, the
radiator had to be replaced and the window regulator wore out it's first
two teeth, making the window useless. Anyways. The car drives great,
it has been abused, but drives excellent, solid as new and the engine runs
like a clock. Same with my dad's '81 300D with 400,000KM, 5 drivers,
50,000KM per year but no trouble, even with oil changes at intervals
that are twice as long as they should be. Also, I don't think my dad's 3000KG
Ford Econoline camper would go anywhere with a small Toyota diesel
engine, however, my dad put in a 1975 non-turbo diesel with auto transmission
which get 9L/100KM, instead of 26L/100KM with the Ford engine. So
far 115,000KM in 4 years and not even one problem. Though a bit slow up hills.
This week 9,000KM, Vancouver-Florida-Toronto, not even one problem. THAT
is a Mercedes!
Yes, that indeed is a good indicator, these cars
are owned by private companies and as profit is
sparse in that business the best car per Euro is
preferred - and besides buying price this has to
do with customers wishes, quality, availability
of service parts etc.
There are alyways some taxi owners - many one-car
owner-operated taxi companies in Germany - who try
to save money when buying the car: In the long term
an E-Class 220CDI with the 95 PS engine _is_ the
best choice overall - all other sedans _are_ inferior.
Here in Germany MB E-Class is getting more and more
popular as police vehicles - same rules apply here
as with taxis.
The E class MB consistantly comes out on top in terms cost of ownership per
Intellichoice. Included in the analysis in not initial cost but
depreciation, cost of repairs and insurance and fuel etc. Based upon these
criteria the E class is one of the best bargains around. It's not suprising
that they are used as cabs in Germany and why this is cost effective.
Remember too that the E classes used as cabs are generally stripped down
models and not top of the line cars with leather and all of the optional
electronic goodies parktronic and keyless go such as etc. which can add
considerble cost to the vehicle.
That's why in Europe, you could get a S class 126 with cloth seats, roll-up
and manual transmission. Had wood at least.
police here don't use the cars because of their "maneuvers"
, maybe in the states where they "chase" cars at 120 mph, thats really a big
laugh over here.
in germany,for "maneuvers" you use ruf porsches, not BMW or mercedes.
they want reliable and comfortable cars that's why the often drive mercedes.
Even a gay green and white RUF 911 couldn't kiss my Isis white Murcielago's
ass. Maybe if they blocked all autobahn's intersections and got backed up by
one helicopter or two... But then, they would end up apologizing and bowing
down to me once my credentials checked *smirk* Who else is in need for
...and because, I believe, Merc dealerships make an extra effort in getting
taxi drivers back on the road, knowing how dependent they are on their cars.
Mercs are popular as taxis in Switzerland, Netherlands...
NB: To reply directly replace "nospam" with "schmetterling"
Yes, here in Germany a taxi goes in last and
goes out first.
Also in bigger cities there is a 365 day
24 hour emergency service for repairs and
parts plus loaner taxis for longr repairs.
MB has understood since ages how important
taxis are for the brand reputation.
You are actually bias and ignorant enough to challenge Toyota on quality? That
is the very thing that made Toyota famous!
I can see you challenging styling.... but quality? Give me a break! Anyone who
challenges a Toyota or a Honda on quality today has got to be either biased or
... and stop comparing 20 year old Benz with 20 year old Toyota. No one said
Benz used to make bad cars. When it was just engine and performance, Benz
kicked ass. But today's cars are full of electronic gadgets........ that is
where Benz can't keep up in quality. They just can't build electronic
components like Toyotas and Hondas.
Is it the BADGE? Do you think a Rolls Royce is worth three times the price of
an S Class......... of course it's the badge! But if you can afford it, it is
what separate different socioeconomic status.
Benz people look down on Toyota people not on quality (if they are honest) but
on the badge.... likewise, Rolls Royce people look down on Benz people.......
Okay supreme intellect....... I'm not saying that Toyota is better than MB in
all aspects. I'm saying that you can't attack Toyota on the basis of quality.
It simply is not true. All engineers and mechanics know that Toyotas are some
of the most reliable vehicles out there.
I grew up with Mercedes all around the home. Personally, I prefer the Porshe .
However, I can't say Toyotas and Hondas are junk. Just like Rolls Royce
owners can't say Mercedes are junk just because they own a more expensive
Fact: In terms of reliability, MB has been hurting lately. They can't make
electronic parts like they can make engines.
At about this time of the year, JD Powers comes up with reports praising Lexus.
How do MB owners generally respond? Oh Lexus is just a Toyota - piece of
junk. But neither Lexus nor Toyotas are junk.
Furthermore, don't direct all your anger at the Japanese automaker because the
most direct threat against Mercedes comes from its German rival BMW. BMW have
now outperformed MB in luxury and performance in all series for less price.
But what it really comes down to is individual preference if you have the
money. You just can't say a lesser price car is junk. How factual would it be
for someone in a Bentley to drive up to your mercedes and say that you have a
piece of junk that can't even compare to his/her car?
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