Yes - this is what I am getting at. Mercedes standards have been slipping
slowly, while the standards of Toyota (and some others) has been quietly
improving. I think we are at the stage where M-B needs to work harder to
stay on top and justify its premium.
Then why does a comparable BMW cost less? The 7 series cost less than an S
class; but the 7 outperforms the S. The 5 outperforms the E, and the 5 costs
less. The 3 outperforms the C, and the 3 costs slightly less. BMW also puts a
lot into R&D.
MB has real competition from BMW, Lexus, Infinity, Acura, and Audi...... and
reliability and performance are big factors.
I actually admire all cars that are built well. I was also happy to see how
much the Jaguars have improved.
On the flip side, I criticize cars when they are not doing well. And I hate
excuses by putting down other cars. Someone in this newsgroup said it is
ultimately up to the consumers despite all the money MB puts into R&D. I am a
consumer, and I demand more from such a premium tag. I bought a 2001 MB and
the list of problems have been a headache. Once, the CD player on the
Navigation system refused to cough out my CD. They had to replace the entire
Navigation system.......... and I took a day off from work - AGAIN! My
girlfriend's Acura - absolutely no problem - that thing would probably run on
water. My parents have had one MB after another until now..... they switched
to BMW745i and Lexus LS430 each. MB can't continue to justify its position as
the supreme luxury cars. Both cost less than an S class.
Are BMW workers handmaking Rolls Royce now?
Oh - the 190E is a real classic!--- hahaha
Probably, but after a long day at work, it's kind of fun to be a computer nerd
and argue a little :)
I've had very little problems with my SL and E class (both late model). The
E class first year teleaid system was spooked but after that all has been
well. From reading complaints such as yours and comparing them to
experiences such as mine it seems as if the main problem with MB nowadays is
lack of consistency. You either get a good, reliable car or you get one with
loads of headaches. In the latter case the vehicle appears less in need of a
mechanic than it does of an exorcism.
There is a possibility that the owners
with bad experiences
are much more motivated to express their
unhappiness than the owners with good
experiences are motivated to express their
happiness. On-line forums for this reason
may not accurately reflect the ratio of
happy to unhappy owners.
Could be true. I bought a 99 S420 lease return with 38,000 miles. It now
has 50,000. I carry a fair number of customers, and everyone is
comfortable in both the front and the back. So far it is an excellent
vehicle. I paid $42,500.00 and had some minor work done under warranty.
Dealer was pleasant, maintenance is expensive, but not notably more than
other brands, and the ride/fit and finish/ comfort, suspension, etc. are all
Come on... you know you gota earn your stripes... Toyota? that isn't even
close to a BENZ.
I can honestly say they have earned the right to charge such high prices.
but you and I both know... Toyota... could make a car just as good.
BUT this isn't the Cosby Show.
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