Rename of his newsgroup

Talk about ignorance, right in the charter it states mini cooper. It doesn't say all mini coopers excluding BMW. But I think that I get it now. This news group has two requirements. You have to own an old broken mini and be a total ass-hole. I've never been in another news group with more one sided bigots. Good day.

It's not a matter of being a one sided bigot.

Although I disagree with some of the more veminous comments towards innocent MINI owners stumbling in here by mistake, and am more in favor of Bad Apple's approach....sending you in a direction where you might be helped and welcomed, you have been told on more than one occassion that this is the wrong newsgroup for your postings and yet you persist in poking the hornets nest.

if that's the case Then it must include the Taxi fleet I mentioned in my earlier post, done in mini roof decals and complete with bonnet stripes and winged Mini badges, infact , they look better than the BMW copy, Fitzy............photos by request ;-)

Its either 10 foot long or its not a mini, the car I mean :-)

Steve.

Just to save me replying to everyone....

we have alt.mini & we have alt.new.mini do we not?

when you do a search for subjects on Ng's both come up, so theres a clear difference.

I've noticed that the bulk of the MINI ie BMW hatch backs, posters are from the US.... so maybe there is an issue with servers in the US?

for my 50 cents worth. alt.mini predates the hatch back, so Im happy for it to stay as it is. 2nd if an owner of a hatchback posts in here and gets flamed thats life, but you will actualy find that most of the regs here will politely point out that this is for the mini and that there is another NG that covers the MINI. I have to admit though that even after they have been politley pointed in the correct direction often they will continue to post here and often get beligerent/agressive by return....so when this happens I have been known to unleash the "dogs of war".....but then just quietly I also happen to dislike most Americans I've meet

MY only interest is in the Mini, I have no desire to discuss the MINI, nor would I ever purchase one. There are far better cars on the market and much better prices than the MINI.

so in reality your suggesting we change somthing that works perfectly well, so long as posters take a moment or two to read the search results, or as was suggested spend some time reading the messages prior to posting.

and alway remember

"if it ain't a Mini then its just traffic"

can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini? or just create a new one and use it instead?

RS

Just to save me replying to everyone....

we have alt.mini & we have alt.new.mini do we not?

when you do a search for subjects on Ng's both come up, so theres a clear difference.

I've noticed that the bulk of the MINI ie BMW hatch backs, posters are from the US.... so maybe there is an issue with servers in the US?

for my 50 cents worth. alt.mini predates the hatch back, so Im happy for it to stay as it is. 2nd if an owner of a hatchback posts in here and gets flamed thats life, but you will actualy find that most of the regs here will politely point out that this is for the mini and that there is another NG that covers the MINI. I have to admit though that even after they have been politley pointed in the correct direction often they will continue to post here and often get beligerent/agressive by return....so when this happens I have been known to unleash the "dogs of war".....but then just quietly I also happen to dislike most Americans I've meet

MY only interest is in the Mini, I have no desire to discuss the MINI, nor would I ever purchase one. There are far better cars on the market and much better prices than the MINI.

so in reality your suggesting we change somthing that works perfectly well, so long as posters take a moment or two to read the search results, or as was suggested spend some time reading the messages prior to posting.

and alway remember

"if it ain't a Mini then its just traffic"

can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini? or just create a new one and use it instead?

RS

Just to save me replying to everyone....

we have alt.mini & we have alt.new.mini do we not?

when you do a search for subjects on Ng's both come up, so theres a clear difference.

I've noticed that the bulk of the MINI ie BMW hatch backs, posters are from the US.... so maybe there is an issue with servers in the US?

for my 50 cents worth. alt.mini predates the hatch back, so Im happy for it to stay as it is. 2nd if an owner of a hatchback posts in here and gets flamed thats life, but you will actualy find that most of the regs here will politely point out that this is for the mini and that there is another NG that covers the MINI. I have to admit though that even after they have been politley pointed in the correct direction often they will continue to post here and often get beligerent/agressive by return....so when this happens I have been known to unleash the "dogs of war".....but then just quietly I also happen to dislike most Americans I've meet

MY only interest is in the Mini, I have no desire to discuss the MINI, nor would I ever purchase one. There are far better cars on the market and much better prices than the MINI.

so in reality your suggesting we change somthing that works perfectly well, so long as posters take a moment or two to read the search results, or as was suggested spend some time reading the messages prior to posting.

and alway remember

"if it ain't a Mini then its just traffic"

can we not rename this group to alt.autos.classic-mini? or just create a new one and use it instead?

RS

.....but then just quietly I also happen to dislike most Americans I've meet

Well bip bip and bloody toad stools...that's just down right rude. Hell to the queen! I've never really cared much about the English, maybe thats why I prefer the BMW version of the mini....

US.... so maybe there is an issue with servers in the US?

stay as it is. 2nd if an owner of a hatchback posts in here and gets flamed thats life, but you will actualy find that most of the regs here will politely point out that this is for the mini and that there is another NG that covers the MINI. I have to admit though that even after they have been politley pointed in the correct direction often they will continue to post here and often get beligerent/agressive by return....so when this happens I have been known to unleash the "dogs of war".....but then just quietly I also happen to dislike most Americans I've meet

would I ever purchase one. There are far better cars on the market and much better prices than the MINI.

long as posters take a moment or two to read the search results, or as was suggested spend some time reading the messages prior to posting.

Good points tim, other than the knee-jerk ant-Americanism, which we can do without. Also, grateful if you could do somethng about re-setting your line lengths and deleting the business card please. Text only, you know

This is completely unnecessary and will not solve anything. The trolls will only start claiming that their fat BMW hatchbacks are already 'classics' as well. (As if?)

It is very clear from the charter that this newsgroup is for real Minis and not the BMW things. Might I suggest that the simplest solution is to kill-file the persistent trolls and get back to talking about our enthusiasm for the real thing. (And yes, I know they will keep morphing, but then we can simply kill-file them again.)

If you are going to be put off or upset by the little wars which are necessary from time to time to defend even long-established and successful newsgroups like this from the barbarian hoardes, then perhaps usenet is not for you.

Regards, David Betts snipped-for-privacy@minilist.org The Mini Gallery:

You folks in the colonies are easily upset, nevertheless I must politely refer you to the correct newsgroup for your , "Hell to the Queen" should really be posted to alt.gossip.royalty or alt.talk.royalty. This is a newsgroup for the Mini.

PS

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This is all a little academic as it isn't possible to change a usenet NG's name.

The Muffin Man

We seem to have none of this problem on Yahoogroups.... it is simply obvious from the archives minilist is is targetted at Minis not BMW MINIs and people soon realise soon enough, we have never had any problems and conversely no one ever complain that BMW-MINI-COOPER is called just that....

As the webmaster of ihatethebmwmini.com (now dormant as I happen to own the BMW MINI y!g ) the flak has stopped and everyone seems to be happy where they stay

Welcome aboard owners of NEW MINIs, if you can discuss maintainance and modification that involves getting your hands dirty and not just pulling off the tape for stickon stuff or pulling out chips and replacing them with new ones.... carry on!!!!!you have equal number in the Rover Mini brigade and I am into real modification :0

I think we ALL should realise this is alt.autos.mini AND realise BOTH NEW and Old Mini will be around for a long time yet...... whether the general thread are of mutual interest is a matter for discussion

FB

nothing Knee Jerk about it. Its a personal opinion, and last time I looked they were still allowed.

Line length? Busines cards? sorry all greek to me. You only gets what the machine gives.

If you want to sound like a prejudiced fool, that's up to you. Some of the greatest Mini enthusiasts - including the founder of the this newsgroup - are from the US of A.

Well, you appear to have sorted the problems, don't you? All you have to do now is learn not to top-post.

Regards, David Betts snipped-for-privacy@minilist.org The Mini Gallery:

That is correct. Following extensive discussion here, it was decided to create alt.autos.new-mini to host the BMW things rather than to re-write the charter to include them here. Rocky Frisco, the founder of this newsgroup and author of its charter, actually created the new group himself.

Not sure what state the Google archives are in these days, but it should all be on record somewhere.

Regards, David Betts snipped-for-privacy@minilist.org The Mini Gallery:

This is where your lack of comprehension appears to let you down. Go back and read it again.

Regards, David Betts snipped-for-privacy@minilist.org The Mini Gallery:

Except, John, that the charter of this group quite clearly does not include the BMW thing and that a separate newsgroup has been created to serve those who wish to discuss the BMW thing. It is off topic here and people who insist on trying to discuss it here will not be welcome.

Regards, David Betts snipped-for-privacy@minilist.org The Mini Gallery: