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Hello. I am a former Mitsubishi owner. I had a bad experience with my car. I don't post often, but if a potential owner asks about an issue with the
model I purchased, I occasionally respond with answers based on my responsible ownership history.
However, most, if not all, of my posts get cancelled before they are propagated to at least some news servers.
If you are considering the purchase of a Mitsubishi, and have asked for feedback in this forum, please do not necessarily consider the responses in this forum comprehensive or representative.
Look in any consumer reports. Thousands of owners have the same issues that I had.
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JCF wrote:

That is curious, since this is a NON-moderated group. You only have to check the occassional spam or virus ladden post to confirm that.
It is also curious as to why you don't even mention what Mits you owned or even hinted as to what problems you've had with the car.
In other words, I smelleth me a troll...
Regards, CMF
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I thought it was curious also, but on more than one occasion, I have posted comments relating to my personal experiences (when such input was openly sought by other posters). I have seen them propagated to news servers and then seen them disappear. No foul language, no slander, just criticism of what in my experience was an inferior product.
Since you asked, I had a 98 Eclipse. Bought it new and sold it in 2002. Worst car I ever owned.
Drove approximately 20-22K a year. No racing, no quick braking unless a deer was in front of me. I replaced the rotors 4 times.
I had the radio replaced twice (once under warranty).
I had numerous non-radio-related electronic problems.
The engine blew at 68K.
In my opinion, these are significant issues that would dissuade me from ever buying another Mitsubishi product. Ever. Why on earth would I troll an automotive group? What could I possibly have to gain from that? It's not like I am rooting for one brand to succeed or fail. It's not like its the Eagles vs. Cowboys or anything. I just think the facts are important. And if answering questions and relating the huge inconvenience and expense that was associated with my purchase of a Mitsubishi product can help one person avoid similar problems, then I will feel a bit better. Don't take it personally....if you own a Mitsubishi, I certainly hope that yours is far more reliable and turns out to be a better investment than mine was.
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JCF wrote:

Oh okay. Consider the snide comments I made revoked. Believe it or not, there have been one or two trolls lately haunting this newsgroup.
And I am honestly kind of surprised at the problems you've stated. I have a 1995 Eagle Talon, and the most I've had to do to it, outside of typical maintance, is replace the water pump and the 02 sensors. Although there is a problem with my LCD read out on my radio, but a quick tap on the crystal clears it right up. And after 165,000 miles I think that is pretty damn good. Heck, it's even still on the original clutch, and by the feel it can still go another 15,000 miles.
I would wonder about the brakes though. It seems like maybe they were giving you a cruddy set of rotors. I got a realy crappy pair once, I believe they were Guardians, and they only lasted me around 20,000 miles before I had to have them turned. Went with top of the line after that. And I have never had a problem since.
Sorry you've had such a terrible time with your DSM. I can say with confidence that most people that I have talked to claim DSM cars are as rock solid and as reliable as a Civic.
Cheers, CMF
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No problem Chris. It takes a quality person to say that in a NG.

You have had great luck. And the year that your talon was made was a great year for that car. I actually considered buying a Talon rather than an Eclipse, but did not because it was the Talon's last mfg. year.

I had them replaced by a dealer with DSM parts. I had them replaced by one specialist after another....using the highest-quality pads and rotors available. At one point, my mechanic did not charge me to replace my pads with higher-quality (best quality) parts when the pads failed within two weeks. The system was designed poorly, and he had seen many other Chryslers/Mitsubishis with similar problems.

Great. But I would never drive a Honda. They run forever, but the experience is not what anyone would call "involving" or even "interesting" for that matter (with the possible exception of the S2000, and I have not driven a new V6 Accord...).
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if your posts are being dropped, address that with the firm who handles your news server. as to consumer reports...there are several areas where i am total shock over the nonsense that is presented as data. i have found them on multiple occasions to be as wrong as they could be. if you are comfortable with their advise, that's fine but be aware that they make a lot of errors.

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I will look into it. Just that it has happened on a number of occasions made me curious. I should have known, but did not know that this group was unmoderated.
I can understand a sense of frustration with Consumer Reports. Turns out that the issues that were listed as concerns (typical problems, engine reliability, etc.) cited in the issue that I did not read before buying my Eclipse actually were problematic on my Mitsubishi. When 20% or 25% of people report serious engine flaws within 4-5 years and you don't have them, you are still in the majority. Good, you should be when you dump $20K. I was one of the minority who had those problems. Big ones. And there are lots of others who appear to have independently reported problems of similar magnitude. You got a gem. I got a lemon. CR makes errors, so does Mitsubishi. But CRs don't cost me five figures.
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scribbled:

Such as? We're not psychic.
-- Phillip Weston Taumarunui, New Zealand
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Read my above post. It actually got propagated.
Good luck, and I hope you don't have the problems I did.
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Well. I beleive it's the Mitsubishi's built in America which turn out so bad. Go figure.
I live in New Zealand, and here we get cars which are either built here, or imported from Japan. I have an '89 Mitsubishi Galant 1.8L with 367,500kms on the clock, and it's still going strong. Only major problem since I've had it was the alternator failing. I guess it all depends on the build quality of the car.
-- Phillip Weston Taumarunui, New Zealand
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phillip, the car he is referring to is a model that was associated with a joint venture with chrysler. if you go to www.magnusmotorsports.com and look at the tech article on crankwalk theory it will explain what's up with the 7 bolt u.s. version of the 4g63. my motor fell victim to this as well. the brake problems he's suffering with point to the single piston brakes spec'ed on the front wheel drive cars. they warp rotors like it was a design function. i didn't see jcf mention any problems with his wheels....there is an active class action regarding soft rims that are unusually prone to damage. the ass kicker is the crankwalk issue....there are a lot of cars now being effected enough where there is a yahoo group for guys who are swapping engines, putting the earlier 6 bolt 4g63 in their second generation cars. i spoke to a mechanic friend today who has a shop that specializes in japanese vehicles. he said he's doing one or two eclipses per week the eclipse is a great car for a hobbyist who wants to build a sports or drag car but it has some serious design and quality issues. that being said, i love mine but there is little that is modified or upgraded.

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Excellent post... You have singularly provided more information (in one NG post) on this issue than I was able to find when the problem was happening on my vehicle.
My mechanic also had a large number of Eclipses coming in.
Too bad one of them was mine.
Oh well...thanks for the education. It's always appreciated by those who are passionate about driving. :)

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I don't disagree with you. If my car had been made in Japan as opposed to in Illinois, I wonder whether I would have had the problems in the first place...not because America makes bad cars, but because the joint venture/partnership at the time my vehicle was made was shared with Chrysler. When my vehicle was made, Chrysler made cars that were beautiful but mechanically unreliable. Hence, my issues.

Despite the fact that I think there is an "America is bad" tone to this letter that should be rebutted, I refuse to dignify that.
But there is a lot of truth in your statement, and you're right, it all relates to build quality, and also in my related components above. That said, I think the issue is with the parent corporation rather than an indictment of the American auto industry in general, and certainly not America in general. Nissans made in Tennessee (one of our states) are often referred to as having bulletproof engines. I almost bought one based on a reflex reaction to my Mitsubishi experience. So not all Japanese cars made in America are bad cars, nor do they have inherent flaws just waiting to surface because they are made in America. That's another NG topic, and we have diverted too much from the original topic already.
JCF
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