changing wheel size... what effects does this have?

Jun 07, 2004 27 Replies

Er, the ratio is the number, 3.90 is higher than 3.08, no?

The effect of a higher ratio in the rear diff is to reduce speed for given revs, or to increase revs for a given speed.

This has come up before so I can just paste in the actual figures for my car:

revs per min A 6000 6000 A eng rev / hour B 360000 360000 B = A * 60 pick gear ratio C 0.833 0.833 pick gear prop rev / hour D 432,173 432,173 D = B / C pick diff ratio E 3.08 3.90 pick diff axle rev / hour F 140,316 110,814 F = D / E tyre circ (cm) M 180 180 pick tyres trav cms / hour N 25,257k 19,947k N = M * F speed kms / hour P 253 199 P = N / 100,000 actual spd mph Q 158 125 Q = N / 160,000

This is a confusion which comes about from the use of the same word for gears and gear ratios. The gear *ratios* of a gearbox go from about 4 (in first) through to about 1 for fourth gear, and maybe 0.833 for fifth gear as above (which means every four turns of the engine returns five turns of the gearbox output shaft, instead of four turns in fourth, or a mere one turn in bottom gear.)

The problem is, the highest *ratio* gears in the gearbox, are the lowest

*speed* gears, and vice versa. Hence you can see why "highest gear" is the "lowest gear ratio". With the rear diff there's no confusion, the higher the ratio, the higher it will rev for a given vehicle speed.

Hence why I am putting a lower ratio rear diff in, as you can see I am redlining at 125 mph in fifth, which is bad for fuel economy, and would rather be able to do 160 mph in fifth before redlining, not that the car can reach 160 but it will give me something like 30% better fuel economy, and generally cruise better.

Ah yes, brakes are one reason to do this, bigger wheels mean bigger spaces for the larger discs. I was forgetting that.

Indeed it has - But people often get the terminaology confused. A high ratio diff is one that turns the wheels a higher number of times for a given number of input rotations. Guess what a lower one does? :)

It's just one of those terms that's sort of the opposite of what you'd expect, that's all.

That and ride quality are the only reasons, IMO. Other than the looks, which IMO are meaningless if it doesn't actually improve some aspect of the performance of the car.

Yeah the problem is, a high ratio diff actually turns the wheels less often for a given number of input rotations, that was the point of the figures, whcih you're welcome to find fault with (e.g. circumference of a typical tyre, red line of a petrol engine, etc.)

It doesn't really matter all that much, i.e. terminology and all that, if this is referred to as "high gearing", but the basic fact of the relationship between axle and prop shaft is worth knowing, if only because you need to know how that works in order to decide what ratio diff to put in the car if ever you come to do this, and it is the other way round to what you think.

I know this anyway because I'm actually changing mine in the same direction that everyone else with this set up either changes it or chooses not to, but it's definitely how I am saying it is, and some basic calculations show this to be how it is.

Right back at ya ;p

Not if it's a rubber-band tyre, on a 20" rim !

...or ludicrous sizes on an even larger one !

Most people (like me) fit them because they look nice. My extra grip (10mm wider tyres all round) is a free bonus :)

But more metal and less rubber, does the opposite !

But it almost always is :)

Not at all - you just prefer functionality over form :)

I like a nice mix of both.

Compared to a 145/80 on a 10" rim? Diameter counts, and where it doesn't, in the case of silly thin tyres, suspension can :)

Sad, very sad ;p I tend to see the looks as a bonus with the performance the important bit :)

More radius does the job, although the element of absorbtion from the tyre will decrease if you start fitting daftly thin tyres, admittedly. But then, just because you go from, say, 14" to 16", doesn't mean you have to drop tyre profile, does it?

Exactly. If I'm going to piss about with my car, it's to make it perform more how I want it to. If I want something pretty to look at, I'll buy a picture!

I don't mind if something I do improves the looks, but I won't go out of my way to get style over substance. I mean, it's a car, I can only see the inside of the bloody thing most of the time I'm anywhere near it!

Clearly that's a little bit extreme :)

Yes, unless you want to bugger up the gearing (and hence performance and economy) and speedo, and make a nice grinding noise every time you go over a bump :)

But you can have both ! It's perfectly possible to make your car perform well AND look nice !

But it's not style over substance - I've got wider tyres AND nicer looking rims :)

Well, the Jap's are making houses out of crap now, so..

So disproving the old adage, as you clearly can polish a turd ;)

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