Non-legit tax discs - detectable?

You're right, up to a point.

The disc will pass an inspection, so a policeman / traffic warden won't see anything amiss - by the sound of it it really is a valid tax disc.

But if the police do a PNC (national computer) check, they will find the car is not taxed according to DVLA. This will "interest" them, particularly as the disc will have been dated long enough for the data to have reached DVLA.

Anyone buying and using the discs will be committing a rather serious offence, I think, worse than merely not having a valid tax disc. Dunno if matey selling them is, as such, not sure what his offence will turn out to be.

There is a trick which would work, I think. You buy two identical modern but cheap cars, clone the number plates and buy a hookey tax disc, then the PNC check shows registration abc123 as taxed.

It would show up in an accident because the Vin plates won't always match MoT records, etc.

The cheap dodge for tax used to be: buy a one year tax disc, after a month or two declare it as lost or stolen and get a replacement, after another month or two send it back for a refund and use the original tax disc. This is no longer appropriate unless you scarcely use the vehicle and mainly want the vehicle to appear taxed to a casual visual check (as opposed to ANPR)

MrCheerful

| It seems that what happens is this. A tax disc is dated for | approx 12 months after the date it is issued. When the present | date moves into the next month the stock of tax discs which are | valid for 11 months become invalid.

load of bollox mates, when i used to work in a post office we kept the tax discs for 9 months or so cos some honest ppl do actually back date tax and when they get a bollocking of the old bill they have to back date tax, also a 12 month tax disc is sold as a six month tax disc 6 months down the road, and they were kept till they had about 3 months on em, at which point they were sent to local MVLA place. this was also in the days when the PO used to write everything down and post stuff to the dvla, now they do it by the post code on the tax disc you stand no chance of being able to use a dodgy disc even if you could get hold of one, they old bill would catch you by them new scanning machines.

Pinky

Nope. I wasn't saying the existing system was fair - I was merely pointing out that the money has to come from somewhere !

The only fair method of taxation, is income tax - everyone can pay the same percentage, and everyone can have the same left over after-tax (ie, a person on double the salary, will have double the money left over after tax) But for some reason the general population are opposed to it.

I don't care in the slightest.

:)

Not an option - the general public is vehemently opposed to VAT and/or Income Tax rises. For some reason, they prefer "stealth" taxes.

Not me. I prefer stealth tax cuts. Or I would if I could detect them.

Steve

There's 23 flats here, 20 ish (depending on how close you want to park) spaces. One space has a 309 with a smashed screen in it, one has a mk3 Cav that's never been known to move in it, neither are taxed. I don't mind that so much, what I do mind is that I know if I let my Triumph run out of tax as I'm getting round to fixing it, I'll no doubt get hassled about it, because sod's law works that way.

Instead of a blanket clause in the agreements, there really ought to be a way of looking at things on a case by case basis, but of course, that would mean more paperwork, and cost them too much I suppose.

Read these

What's the point of even considering it? buy one,knock over a pedestrian or God forbid a kiddie even if not your fault,say someone shunted you into a kiddie,you would be paying off the rest of your life as insurance would be invalid,same as bent MOT slips. I like a bargain as much as anyone but I don't mess with car,house contents or any other scam that will invalidate my policy. You know they will use any excuse not to pay claims.Don't bother with them mate,just in case!

: Nope. : I wasn't saying the existing system was fair - I was merely pointing out : that the money has to come from somewhere ! : :

True, the royal mint I think its called, the govt can print more money when they need it, scrap taxes.

Lol! If only it were that simple ;)

On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:04:30 +0100, "DocDelete" wrote (more or less):

Funded by local councils paid from local council tax.

Less than a quarter of local council spending is covered by local council tax.

Because the central government funding stays constant, the local council tax covers less than a quarter of the spending.

The increase in spending over the entire amount has to be covered by council tax.

So council tax goes up by a % about 4-5 times higher than the % increase in local council spending.

Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft:

On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:08:10 +0100, "Lackey" wrote (more or less):

Of course, if they print twice as many notes, pretty quickly each note becomes worth only half what it used to be worth.

Cheers, Euan Gawnsoft:

But that's ok, because the government has got half the money in the country, and the rich people who, earlier, had all of it, now only have half as well.

Which is basically no different to a flat rate of 50% tax, except that it automatically also means 50% inflation.

I wouldn't be surprised to find 50% is about right, allowing for stealth taxes.

Insurance status is already database'd, and the police have full access to this. The MOT database is in prep and isn't all that far away, the only thing that'll slow progress with that is getting the acutal technology into the MOT stations.

EVL (Electronic Vehicle Licensing) is being piloted as I type, and in time this will negate the need for Post Office renewals, and enhance the onus on the driver to get taxed.

THe man is an idiot. THe only test it will pass is at a spot check when the copper takes a quick shuftie at the disc just to make sure it is in date.

If you don't SORN it or you drive it down a road with tax disc cameras expect a fine.

THey thought that on Havenfield (Formerly Gypsey Road) Estate in Bridlington.

...right until 6 car transporters and several Police vans turned up one morning a few weeks ago. Police knocked on doors of the owners of said untaxed vehicles and if people didn't answer, said untaxed car found the drivers window being put through and it being hauled onto a transporter. All untaxed cars got lifted whether the owners answered to the Police or not.

One bloke lost 3 Jags. THe newest car taken was a 2002 Ford Mondeo. THe estate looks a bit empty now.

They've started lifting cars on the spot now.

rofl.

DVLC know which cars have a proper tax disc and which don't. If your car doesn't have a proper one, it will set off alarm bells each time you take it onto the motorway. You may have seen small black cameras about half the size of a shoe box hanging from motorway bridges. These read and process number plates. Whenever the local traffic patrol has nothing better to do, they hook up to the output from these. As another poster mentions, there are also handheld versions of this camera now.

Soon (due this autumn, but likely to be delayed) a system will be introduced that will keep check of who has an MOT as well.

With a bit of luck you can get away without a proper tax disc if you just travel to and from work using back roads, but not if you park in town centres or use motorways regularly.

Incidentally, if you paid for anything like this and it didn't work, the law says you are not entitled to your money back as the whole deal is illegal. The same goes for any satelite decoding cards and credit cards that you buy in the pub.

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