Re: Now at this price, these guys have to be on the con.

Elder gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

It is sufficient. AIUI, Cit C5/C6s have no self-levelling for the lights other than the suspension.

Keep a pair of normal bulbs in the car, so, if you really need to, you can swap back to them in minutes. (This may not apply to some modern cars where you have to remove the entire front end of the car to get to the bulb holders)

I should be OK, then. I have self-levelling rear suspension :)

do that in the mini also carry a spare set of HID bulbs too just incase. 2 HID bulbs was a tenner 2 HID bulbs for a SAAB through work £130!

Bit like a lot of the MOT then.

Seem to have min wattage before 1st april 86. schedule 4 (dip) part 1 8 (c) A motor vehicle with four or more wheels first used before 1st April 1986: 30 watts minimum also schedule 5 (main), part 1 8b

lamps

14 - "no FILAMENT lamp other than a filament lamp referred to ..... shall be fitted to any such lamp."

Way I read it, it specifically applies to filament lamps. It doesn't actually say anywhere that the bulb fitted to a headlamp or dipped beam lamp in schedules 4 and 5 has to be a filament bulb. It does say IF the lamp IS a filament lamp it has to be marked. It fails to specifically exclude the use of lamps and bulbs other than filament lamps. It also fails to have a section on requirement to mark non filament lamps. Other people (DfT) take the view that anything that isn't specifically permitted in the regs is not permitted, I'm sure UK law works the other way round. Our freedoms are limited by law, not defined by omission of a law. There are no "loiter here" signs, only "no loitering".

What they would like it to say. (note deletion of filament)

14 - "no lamp other than a filament lamp referred to ..... shall be fitted to any such lamp" but that's already overruled by EU regs which permit discharge lamps.

(As Mr Eric Morecambe would say) All cars that have to conform to the marking regs will have lens and reflectors that have E marks in conformance with Schedules 4 and 5 Part I section 13, just not the right ones for HID bulbs. Any retro fit "angel eyes", "crystal lamps" etc off E-bay are very unlikely to be correctly marked unless from NZ.

I can't find any UK amendment to the RVLR "lighting regs" that refers to gas discharge. Also I've searched though all online amendments back to '87 listed in SI on approval marking, didn't find an amendment to UK regs for HID markings.

got any idea when the amendment would have been made for HIDlamps conforming to EU markings? (I think there isn't one!) All I find for FIRST EU regulation on HID is date 16 October 1995 any amendment to UK marking reg would have to be after that. (noteEU reg only applies to and has penalties for non conformance ofproduction by vehicle maker and not use) UK type approval testing fees for HID to EU reg98 started in 97 operative date from reg 98/99 15 Apr 96 Yet 2001 SVA for cars has no mention of HID While 2003 SVA for bikes does and refers to EC 98/99 - no UK regulation. Basically it looks like the C&U and/or RVLR wasn't amended in a timely manner. They are back pedaling cos if they present it now there would be Questions in the House as to who was in control of them.

Thanks Peter, I bet that didn't take you 5 mins either :)

So in summary (I didn't read it, this is my own summary of what it might have said and if it didn't it's wrong :-) ), buy them if you want, you won't get into trouble for them - and if you do, you'll be the first person ever.

Except for the brother's mate's sister's boss's son's girlfriend's auntie's boyfriend who someone is no doubt about to post about, who got stopped and then tazer'd for having them...

It actually says that complies in the link given.

Who's tempted to check their returns policy carefully (or make sure you're covered by Paypal/credit card companies), and order about 10 sets, then "change your mind" and send them back? :-)

That actually happened to my 2nd cousin's estranged husband's auntie's dog's previous owner's lawyer.

£60 aint that good though. As other have the same sort of kits, aren't dodgy bastards, and are cheaper as well.

TBH, unless you get busted by customs, his listed price on Ebay is pretty fair at £51 shipped.

LMAO

Some chinese copies are the real thing, just not made for the real maker, make under license, then ripped off.

There was a case I read about, where a guy had bought a gadget and it developed a fault. He took it to the local repairer who couldn't identify the gadget. So he sent to the regional head office. Who couldn't identify it, so sent it back overseas to their headoffice who declared it was a fake, and the never made an XXXX (not a model, the device). Nowhere did anyone in the chain realise that company x never made a mobile phone or a pda or whatever in that style or format until it had gone back to the original design and support teams.