A Japanese Muscle Car Getting Closer To Reality?

The Mazda RX-8 is step forward, and this one, if built, is another step closer to the formula.

----From Autoweek------------

Okay, it's as old as the 1964 model year, when John Z. DeLorean, Bill Collins and Russ Gee dropped a 389 from the big Bonneville into the smaller Tempest LeMans and created the mighty Pontiac GTO. There are probably earlier examples of this formula but the GTO is the one that gets all the credit. It works because it's simple?stuff a big engine in a small car, step on the gas and go, leaving a trail of tire smoke.

Now it is Lexus' turn to apply the formula. Yes, Lexus has gone muscle car. That bastion of muted elegance and understated solemnity wrapped in a cloak of Kaizen is out cruising stoplights looking for fun. The IS 430 is an IS 300 with a big 4.3-liter V8 engine wedged into the relatively small space once occupied by the 3.0-liter straight six.

Two similar cars were done a year ago by Lexus in Germany. Racer-turned-businessman Rod Millen did this project, his fourth for Lexus/Toyota after the Lexus Hot Rod (AW, Sept. 21, 1998), FJ-45 Retro Cruiser (AW, Oct. 18, 1999) and a 500-hp Celica that debuted at the Los Angeles auto show in 2000 (AW, Jan. 17, 2000). Of course there were also Millen's drives up Pikes Peak in Celicas and Tacomas, the fastest of which still holds the unlimited record of 10:04.

Making the big swap turned out to be far less complicated than you might think. New engine mounts were required, but the engine itself fit without modifying the hood, firewall or any sheetmetal. Only a few peripheral drives had to be remounted. The GS 430's radiator fit nicely, too. And since the V8 is aluminum and the straight six has an iron block, the two engines weigh almost exactly the same.

The formula is tried and true: Stick a big V8 under the hood of a small car and voila, you get a tire-smoking grin-maker. Lexus has put a 4.3-liter V8 into an IS 300 chassis. We're hopeful the IS 430 will see production. With all the changes made to it, the car itself comes in just a little heavier with the V8?3459 pounds vs. the stock car's 3410 pounds.

The new car has a Supra six-speed manual transmission, which required some modifications to the bellhousing to clamp onto the V8. But the Supra shift lever pokes perfectly through the hole in the transmission hump. Driveshaft and halfshafts come from the GS 430 while the differential is from a Supra.

The hardest part of the engine swap was not mechanical but electronic. "The larger challenge was to develop an electronic interface that would allow the V8 engine to work with the manual transmission and IS

300 body?something it was never designed to do," said Millen.

Luckily, Rod Millen Motorsports has "a guy who's really good at that sort of thing," according to Rod. In reality, Millen's team of engineers includes Ph.D.s and brainy engineers who spend most of their time working on top-secret projects for the military. Think of Jesse James' Monster Garage minus the tattoos and piercings and with finite element analysis capability.

The monster IS received other adjustments, too: a more drag-friendly

3.769:1 final drive with a limited-slip differential; 16-way adjustable shocks; big, cross-drilled Brembo ventilated disc brakes with four-piston calipers; Speed Star SSR 18-inch wheels wrapped with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires, 225/40R front and 265/35R rear, and with ZR speed ratings; Rhys Millen Racing (Rod's son) front lip spoiler and side skirts to go with the IS 300 rear spoiler; a Chip Foose black-over-red paint job; and the requisite Mark Levinson stereo, in this case, a 720-watt multichannel system with 20 speakers.

Best of all, it's a driver, though maybe driver is too tame a word. We got to take the car out at the short, tight Streets of Willow track at Willow Springs, California, and man, oh man. While the balance front and rear is good, all that power in such a light car is just stupid fast, as the kids say. Immediately upon flooring the gas you feel torque that seems about twice that of the IS 300. Millen estimates it is 300-plus lb-ft vs. the IS 300's 218. We'd add a few pluses to that figure. Horsepower is again estimated, at 340 vs. the IS 300's 215, but it feels closer to 400. Whatever, the car goes like a whacked cat.

Step on the gas exiting a corner and the rear end steps right on out?not suddenly and dangerously, but it steps, no doubt about it. It didn't spin during our drive, but a little more time on the throttle in those corners and the powersliding rear would have passed the front. This would be a great car for a smoky tire burnout contest.

The roar from the new intake and exhaust leaves no doubt as to what is underhood and makes being stealthy at stoplights tricky.

It was crazy fun.

Like any prototype, it still needed some tuning, maybe stiffer springs, shocks, antiroll bars?all that black-art setup stuff that eventually balances the engine's power with the suspension's ability to get it to the ground. The final drive could be shorter, the throttle more linear, the clutch smoother and engaged lower in the clutch pedal travel. We are not complaining?in a production car those points would all be addressed.

Yes, production. Right now "there is no plan" to produce an IS 430, but there could be. Lexus will sell about 14,000 IS 300s this year, down from 20,000 in 2002. The fact that sales are falling suggests Lexus has to do something to boost interest in the IS.

The purpose of this IS 430 exercise is to get executives in Japan to see the light. Or at least feel the horsepower. Strap them behind the wheel for a few laps and they'll sign anything. But for such a relatively slow seller, it is tough to argue for an IS 430 as a moneymaker, especially after the high price of getting federal approval for all the components.

"If there isn't a strong business case, we probably won't do it," said Bryan Bergsteinsson, former Lexus chief who now heads up training at Toyota. "But part of this is to have fun, goddammit."

It was rare in this politically correct era to hear a high-ranking auto executive other than Carroll Shelby say that on a press launch. Like the power of the IS 430, it was refreshingly authentic.

Bergsteinsson went on: "The IS 300 has brought us younger buyers, new buyers. Does every iteration of every car line have to make a business case on its own? We sold more GS 300s because we had the GS 430 in the showroom?it's the umbrella car for the whole line. You could look at a lot of cars that way. We never would have built the Prius. I would disagree that every car has to make a profit.

"Performance is an important part of the IS makeup. It continues to bring a younger buyer into Lexus."

And that may be the strongest argument yet. All those kids driving Scions and sport compacts are eventually going to get jobs and start making money, and they will have to move up somewhere. Many of them have already wandered off to BMW. A car like this would keep them in the Lexus/Toyota fold.

So if this is an exercise in getting the attention of Japanese executives, we say, "Hey Japanese executives, build this car!" But maybe that's just because we want to drive it some more.

Patrick '93 Cobra '83 LTD

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Ugh, please don't use "big V8" and "4..3-liter" in the same sentence.

...it makes me chuckle inside.

Steve BBB on a stand.

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A Guy Named Steve

Don't forget about Nissan's 5.7L V-8 currently found in Titans. By today's mainstream standard, that's big.

Dana

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Dana Myers

No offense,,, but you read way too many magazines. Why don't you get out and take a drive in that Cobra, from time to time to clear your head!

BTW... Most everyone else can read too, so you can save some time by not re-writing articles here. Just make the observation and refer to the source.

I see more GM and Japanese information from you than I do Ford... Whats with that? snipped-for-privacy@aol.com might say it all...

No Flame, just a couple observations. Have a good time over the holidays!

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Mustang_66

Sad, but true!

At least it isn't the same cubes as a V6 that went into hundreds of thousands of S10's for many years.

Steve BBB on a stand.

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A Guy Named Steve

I should correct myself, I believe the Titan motor is 5.6L. Rated at something like 305hp / 379 ft-lbs torque. That's not the same as the V-6 in an S-10 either.

;-)

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Dana Myers

First thing I thought was "my truck has a V6 that big"

Not to mention its still a Toyota. At best its super sized rice.

MadDAWG

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MadDAWG

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Erik D.

"Big V-8" indeed. LOL! If it happens (and I doubt it will) it'll cost way too much.

Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC

snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (Patrick) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@posting.google.com:

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Joe

I enjoy reading his posts and the articles he includes. Since I don't subscribe to all the magazines I find it helpful that he includes the articles.

As to his non Mustang articles, he probably figures that most of us will have the mustang articles already, and he will be correct!

I wish you a good time over the holidays too Dude!

-- _______________________________________ "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

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Just Me "Koi"

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:24:25 GMT, "Just Me \"Koi\"" wrote something wonderfully witty:

Well I gotta through in a "me too" as well. It is nice to have someone else point out an article that I might be interested in. Takes some time & effort on his part and I appreciate that. No way I can read everything that comes down the pike so it is nice to have certain write-ups pointed out. If I am not interested in the topic I can always pass it by.

-- "Y'know I remember when things were a lot more fun around here When good was good and evil was evil Before things got so fuzzy"

Don Henley, The Garden of Allah

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ZombyWoof

I rather like the idea of keeping abreast of what's happening across the industry as it relates to Mustang enthusiasts. If the Japanese get really serious about building pony and or "American-style" muscle cars, it would be quite interesting and would indeed present competition to Ford and their Mustang planning.

Just imagine if Nissan started shoe-horning the Titan V-8 into a high-beltline, two-door coupe? Perhaps they'll even mount a blower on it - they've been doing forced induction for a long time, they turbos are generally preferred...

The question I have - suppose Nissan introduced such a car, and even designed it in America. Suppose it achieved Cobra R class handling (or better) and comparable power/weight, and did so at a price point below $40k. Would there be a market for it? Would American muscle enthusiasts buy it?

Dana

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Dana Myers

I think the Big 3 will be fine. From a way-outsider's perspective, it seems that they're doing a decent job of trying to be competitive. Japanese cars used to be quite cheap... essentially just transportation. Like their motorcycles, they were just cheap, efficient, solid machines, but when they were done, you throw them away and buy another. While there are still Japanese cars in that class, the fact that Acura, Lexus, and Infinity even exist shows that other carmakers are trying to catch the Big 3 in the luxury-performance market. Price and the horsepower war also come into play. For the most part, cheap transportation is giving way to big power and a big price tag. When the '87 LX 5.0 was introduced, it could be had for what, around $13K, no options? 225 horsepower was a big deal then, and that car ruled the streets (save for the big names). Anymore, you can barely touch a car for that price, and 225 horsepower is almost laughed at. They're pulling that out of small, naturally aspirated V6's. The new Neon and the WRX, in stock form, can scare or even eat my '97 Cobra- a car that in its time was pretty big, crossing the 300hp barrier and all.

Also, remember that many imports are built in the US, and many domestics are built elsewhere. It gets pretty mixed up from time to time. If I remember correctly, DSM cars (Mitsubishi Eclipse / Plymouth Laser / Eagle Talon, and maybe even the Mitsubishi 3000GT / Dodge Stealth) were built in the US with a large majority of US content, but if you see the name Mitsubishi, you'll assume otherwise. Honda has a plant in Ohio.

The auto workers will continue to have a place to build cars in this country, if only because it's beneficial from a business and financial standpoint to have a factory here. I work for Mitsubishi in the power electronics division. At this time, given the exchange rate and such, it's actually cheaper to set up manufacturing of some train components than it is to have them built in Japan and shipped here. It also adds US content, something the railroads require a good deal of. In the automotive industry, that's not as much of a factor, but it's also a great PR thing. How long did Honda advertise their plant in Ohio on TV, proud of that fact?

Having said all of that, I still think that the Big 3 needs to be on their 'A' game. The foreign market is catching up in terms of what more Americans want. We live a lifestyle full of excess. Go to Japan and look at the vehicles there - for the most part, they're strictly utilitarian. Realizing that life here is a bit different, they introduce Acura, Lexus, and Infinity to cater to those with the means to buy such cars and the wish to look upscale. DSM throws the performance world a curve when they push a turbocharged AWD Eclipse/Laser/Talon that, even in stock form, takes a

4-cylinder and makes it run with V8's and still get good gas mileage. Subaru takes it one step farther with the WRX. Now it's the Big 3 scrambling to catch up - DaimlerChrylser introduces the new Neon to try to keep up. Ford's contemplating a turbo on the Focus. I'm sure GM isn't going to let the latest turbo-4 trend pass by. Watching the foreign companies who probably never produced a passenger-car V8 in their history think about slipping a V8 between the fenders of a luxury car shows me that the two extremes in auto theory - domestic excess and import efficiency - are coming closer to mixing than ever before. DC's building turbo-4 sport compacts and Toyota wants to put a V8 in a Lexus. Everyone's building SUVs, even Porsche.

In summary, I don't think there's a lot to worry about losing all of the jobs and profit, but there is a need to stay on top of the game to keep some of the market share. The Big 3 should be expanded a bit to include Honda and Toyota... they're starting to become quite a force. I don't think they'll totally take over, unless the Big 3 let them by failing to adapt and give the consumer what he or she may want.

JS

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JS

The Big 3 is already GM..Ford... and Toyota. With Ford in trouble, you may just get your wish, if the new models flop next year.

they'll totally take over, unless the Big 3 let >them by failing to adapt and give the consumer what he or she may want.

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Mustang_66

I didn't say I wanted to see Ford, DC, or GM out of the picture, just that Honda and Toyota have to be taken seriously.

Let's hope that the domestics can pull through this and be part of the "Big

5" or such..

JS

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JS

Don't forget the Avenger, that was one sorry excuse for a ponycar from Dodge at the time. 2.5L 175 HP N/A V6 was the powerhouse for their "all new" IROC racecar. SAD, SAD, SAD!!! It was a rebodied Galant with an Eclipse interior!

Scott W. '66 HCS

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