Cobra vs GTO and Conflict/WMD

Yep. While the LS1 Camamobirds could easily be tweaked to run mid

I think that's why GM has a GTO redo already in the works. I think their plan was to first just fill the gap the Camarobirds left and get a some market share/following going. Then they'll attack with an aggressive-looking GTO.

In a way I think when the Camarobiirds got cancelled was kinda like when the Soviet Union fell. The World got more difficult when you no longer know who the enemy is/or their capabilities. I think the Mustang is going to soon have some tough battles to fight.

I agree in some ways. But the GTO is much harder edged. Shoot, nearly 105 mph pure-stock trap speeds is thumping. In comparison, the Marauder can't even beat a new V6 Accord.

Younger guys would say no, but the old farts over 40-50 might disagree.

I don't think we're both on the same wavelength on this one. Let me clarify. The new GTO's platform is stiffer, but its suspension settings are softer. The Cobras platform is floppy in comparison, but its suspension settings are firmer. Stiffer _platforms_ are better.

Knowing Ford's track history, I'd bet the Cobra's motor won't change for at least a year or two after the redesign. Then Ford will reassess the marketplace add more horsepower if it thinks the Mustang needs it to boost sales.

I totally agree!

I do, and after the GTO redo in '06 it'll be even more so. And I think the GTO will start cutting away at some of the Mustang's market share. Bottom line: I think the Mustang has some tough battles ahead.

Patrick '93 Cobra '83 LTD

The new GTO weights in at 3,700 and change.

I agree a 3-valve is coming for the GT, but I don't think the Cobra's motor will change during the redesign. I think it'll be a year or two later. There's enough of a spread to the Cobra's 390 for the new GT motor to push up to about 300.

The next Z06 Vette is supposed to have around 450. If the Super GTO uses that same motor it'll have enough firepower.

Patrick '93 Cobra '83 LTD

Dana,

The GTO's motor will have too much compression to be blower friendly, at least for long term use. Witness the scores of high-compression '96-'01 Cobra motors that have blown up. That's why Ford hacked the DOHC's compression to 8.1 when they added their blower.

Patrick '93 Cobra '83 LTD

The new GTO is a two-door coupe. Patrick '93 Cobra '83 LTD

Again, the new GTO is a two door.

Think of the new GTO as a Mach 1 with invisible styling, but with better vehicle dynamics.

Patrick '93 Cobra '83 LTD

And sports cars don't have four seats, they have two. Meaning the Mustang has two too many seats. Oh, and BTW the new GTO is a two door. Confused? Me too.

Patrick '93 Cobra '83 LTD

That's nice to hear. Thank you, squirrel! I'd love to!!! Know anyone at C&D?

Good point! I think GM may want to low-ball the GTO's price at first to get a foothold in the market.

Again, thanks.

I'm just too busy anymore to post regularly to be considered a NG regular. But I'll try...

Patrick '93 Cobra '83 LTD

Stock high-compression does indeed limit the amount of boost that can be reasonably run. It's pretty tempting to run a lot of boost since the power just keeps climbing (assuming you're using an intercooler), but it has to be balanced with the longevity of the motor. For this same reason I'm a little dubious of the the 600-700 rwhp numbers cited for pumped Cobras.

At the same time, I know too many people racking up 100k+ miles with moderately supercharged motors (6 psi or so) to dismiss the practice.

Dana

If I remember correctly, Nitrous Pete's red 03 Cobra was at WFC6. I spoke to him, and asked about his numbers to the rear wheels. He replied with a comment about how he doesn't like to talk numbers, that his times spoke for himself. After nagging him a little bit, he said that it was somewhere around 750 RWHP; all without having the valve-covers off.

Then they've disproved several rumors if true. The Oz Holden that the GTO is based on is advertised at 3800 lb. I'm shocked if they can bring it to US safety standards at less than that when it really hits production.

But who knows. That'll probably just make future comparisons better :).

The GT will probably see closer to 340 bhp out of the box.. Yep, the S197 Cobra will be a year or two later and we'll see how much they detune it then :).

At 10:1 with an OHV and brittle internals. No thanks. The current pathetic

Still, I'm looking forward to them though. F-bodies are getting rarer. Z06's are rare.

Dan

"Dana Myers" wrote | | And... it's a four-door with a back-seat that *humans* | can sit in. |

That reason in and of itself.. is a perfectly valid reason to pass up the Goat... a 4 door.. PUKE!

Kate

If you go to this page, and look at just the nose, then just the rear on this car... you can't possibly tell me that someone wasn't dreaming of an SN95 body style when they designed this car!

| > -- | > Greg | > 1992 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 | >

| > > > I honestly don't think that this is a real conflict. I will | comfortable | > say | > > > that the Cobra will win, hands down. Let's run through this with my | > $0.02 | > > > thrown in. | > > >

| > > >

| > > >>More power. Any blue-haired granny or gramps can drive a terminator | > > >>Cobra into the 12-second zone. With just a few simple mods, 11s are | > > >>easy. And after spending a few bills, 10s are possible (there's even | > > >>one running 9's already). Even though the new GTO runs mid 13's at | > > >>about 104 mph right off the showroom floor, you have to score one for | > > >>Cobra!! | > > >

| > > >

| > > > Can't argue a bit here, it's true, the Cobra will hand the GTO it's | ass. | > >

| > > Yeah, maybe if the cars are left in bone-stock form. | > >

| > > The Pontiac GTO is really intended to meet the Marauder | > > challenge head-on, which it does handily. | > >

| > > Current vintages of Cobra are pretty cool but a built | > > GTO starts with a cubic inch advantage. You don't need | > > all the fancy suspension doo-dads to go fast, just 6 or | > > 8 psi of additional atmosphere at the intake valves. | > >

| > > And... it's a four-door with a back-seat that *humans* | > > can sit in. | > >

| > > I love the pony cars, but I'm not blinded by love. | > >

| > > Dana | >

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and as they follow behind, they can pick up the pieces that typically fall off a Chevy as it rattles apart.

Kate

Maybe, but it seems to be a coupe, not a sedan. Read on....

Sorry, Kate, but the nose looks like a Gran Prix, and the rear looks like a Malibu with a wing. There's no SN95 in there at all.

Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC

"SVTKate" wrote in news:6vXqb.5665$ snipped-for-privacy@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com:

You didn't squint with your right eye closed standing on your head after half a bottle of Jack and downing 2 Vicoden. Otherwise, I could see it (sorta) :)

I like the front end of the car they're bringing over here to make it. The Monaro is much better looking IMHO. Here's a link to the Holden Monaro gallery.

Ford needs to bring the Austrlian Falcon XR8 over to this side of the pond!!

Scott W. '66 HCS

"Scott Williams" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:

Ah, all I had was a six-pack. No wonder I missed it!

The car still looks very bland and nondescript to me. The front pictures remind me of a Toyota or something; the rear looks sort of like a Caddy Cetera. Totally boring. Now maybe driving one would change my mind..

Joe Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC