Cobra won't start - sequil to starter question

Feb 12, 2004 27 Replies

For those of you that don't know:



98 Cobra, 4.6 DOHC, Std. Tranny. No engine mods.

A week or so ago I jumped in my previously reliable little beast to run into town and when I turned the key and she made a sound like the starter was trying to turn but not fully engaging. The FIRST time she fired VERY briefly then stopped.



We suspected the battery and tried to jump the car, nothing changed. We changed the starter, still the same. We then replaced the battery, and put it on a trickle charger over night and again she tries to turn over but VERY slowly and will not start.



All fluid levels are fine and she has been inside a garage parked for nearly a month. No signs of trouble in the oil or water.



We are at a loss at this point. The new starter and battery are both OEM.



Hubby was just thinking and pondered aloud "Hmmmm I wonder if the timing chain broke"



Ok you guys, anyone have any ideas? Now I am getting worried. It's like having a sick baby, they fuss but cannot tell you where it hurts.



Kate Klease reply in the group or to svtkate@kizthizDOTcom swap the dots, you know the routine.


OH! Fuel sending unit is working ok, I can hear it come ion then stop (normal operation) when I turn the key on. She is just not turning over properly.

Having her hauled into Columbia's SVT dealership a little later this morning.

man, this sucks.

Have you checked your grounds, both body and chassis?

MadDAWG

Will have a look. thanks

Kate

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Yes... make sure that the starter is getting full amperage under load... there could indeed be a wiring or ground issue. Hopefully the dealer will not hurt you too badly.

I agree with other posters about checking all grounds (engine block/chassis). I seem to recall in some cases owners reporting smoke entering at emergency brake area. Don't know if it's related. If you still have time check it out...

-- Mike

93 Cobra

turning over very slowly.. Sounds indeed like bad wiring somewhere. Sitting still could do that. Some connection might have corroded a bit, and from sitting still it won't rub or clear itself from it. I'd check that. Especially since the battery and starter have been replaced, that's really all there is needed to get the starter turning. Doubt the chain is broken. Don't think it could break from sitting still.

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Ok guys.. here we go.

I called AAA, they sent a truck to haul her the 85 miles to Columbia. We took her to Sloan Ford, the only SVT dealer I know of that's even close.

The first thing I had to do was explain to the tow truck driver how anal I am about my car. In typical fashion, he did not pay attention. Within a less than a minute he made the mistake of tossing his muddy gloves on my spoiler so he could reach under the car. When he came back up, I shoved them into his chest and said "OK, let's try THIS! I can be a REAL F***ing B*tch when it comes to my car. I know she isn't a hundred thousand dollar custom car, but she's MINE.. got it?!!"

He got it. Things went much smoother after I had his attention.

He followed us to the dealership and all went well. They already know me and my car and put her right in the shop. We went to lunch while Mark, also a Mustang guy, that is a certified master something or another and has a 97 Cobra that he has modded to do 8's in the quarter. My kind of guy. Nice and very smart feller. He knows his Cobras.

After all the breww-ha-ha for the past couple of days we were really stressing over what would be wrong and worrying about the wallet wounds that were about to be inflicted upon us.

Mark called us over and ask... what have you done to the car? I told him the engine is stock and he was a bit relieved, it made his troubleshooting easier. He then explained that the only code the car was coming up with was the anti theft system. We explained that we had changed the battery and so on and that the codes would have been cleared. He nodded, and repeated that the code was in there, even though the car would not start while we had it.

He told me to hop in and give her a try, and she fired right up... fussy, ungrateful, little bitch. Turns out that the module in the steering column is the problem. Something that Ford has a memo out on for the 1998 model, but not enough for a recall.

She evidently (now comes the "I feel sooooooo stooopid" part), had flooded with all the key turning off and on. No throttle necessary, we never touched it, there is a fuel dump valve that activates somewhere during that time when you turn on the key, the fuel lines come to pressure. He said she will run, but was hesitant to encourage me to just take her on home. It seems that the wiring on this module is a bit short, and from the tilting of the steering wheel becomes defective.

So, in our infinate wisdom we decided to have them do the following: Replace the security module in the steering column - cost about $200 Replace the tempermental turn signal control module - cost about $100 Give her an alignment that was much needed - cost $45

Having my baby back....

...if you think I'm going to say priceless, you're out of your flipping minds! At least I'll have my wheels back :-D spoiled rotten little pain in the ass ungrateful tempermental fickle little witch that she suddenly has become... must be puberty.

If she pulls any more of this crap, she's going to turn into an 03 or a Lightening or an Explorer Sport..

Thanks for all of your input guys!

Kate.

I love this line...

"OK, let's try THIS! I can be a REAL F***ing B*tch when it comes to my car. I know she isn't a hundred thousand dollar custom car, but she's MINE.. got it?!!"

You're awesome Kate!

Bet you made that guy s*it his pants LOL. I wouldn't know what to think if some chick did that to me..... but then again I wouldn't disrespect ANY Cobra like that... heck even any Mustang heh. Definitely not SVTKate's "baby" though.

Glad to hear your car is back in running order.. wasn't tooooo expensive.. coulda been worse. Stinkin memos ;D.

-Mike

Wow Kate,

"If she pulls any more of this crap, she's going to turn into an 03 or a Lightening or an Explorer Sport.."

Those are some real hurtful words to Shug...

Glad you got it fixed, and that it was sort of cheap...

Shane

Now you know my my 98' Cobra turned into a '71. My nerves were a wreck after the first couple incidents.

Yours in Feeling Ford Pain, Scott

My money's on a dead cell in the battery. Did your hubby check it with a $5.00 hydrometer? The voltage will look just fine using a voltmeter, but won't turn the engine over if just one cell died - happens all the time and usually in the middle of -GASP! WINTER! Hmmm....

Regards,

-JD

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Wow, what a bizarre thing. I've never heard of that problem with the

98's before... I thought I'd heard (or experienced) all of 'em! Glad ya got it worked out, it certainly could have been worse.

Careful what you say about that '03 stuff though because if you're kind of leaning that way and then go drive one it'll be all she wrote for Shug. Case in point: A friend of mine came by the store a couple of weeks ago with his like-new Z06 and wanted me to take him for a ride in it. I did, it was mucho fun, and I nearly ripped the pocket off of my pants getting to my Platinum Visa to start ordering parts. Iwas strong, however, and managed to resist (sort of), but it ain't gonna last long. I've already got the new control arms ordered, the valve springs and fuel pump are sitting in the garage, now I gotta order the cams, injectors, gaskets, diff cover, then get it all installed and re-tuned.

I guess I'm gonna keep ol' Blue for a bit longer.

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Thanks sweetie :) I don't think the tow truck driver thought so though LOL

Well, sometimes you just jave to tell your kids like it is. Whichever it was, while I was washing off the dust before sending her to the dealership I gave her a good scolding.

Hubs just stood aside and listened as I scrubbed and muttered and scolded with a look on his face like "whoo boy, this is gonna cost me if the damn thing doesn't run!".

I'm still not used to this whole computer controlled fuelinjected thing. If it were a good ol Chevy 4X4 with a 350 and a Holly 650 on it I could have told you what the problem was in a red hot second.

** "OK, let's try THIS! I can be a REAL F***ing B*tch when ** it comes to my car. I know she isn't a hundred thousand dollar custom car, ** but she's MINE.. got it?!!"

If you weren't already married,...

** Turns out that the module in the steering column is the problem. Something ** that Ford has a memo out on for the 1998 model, but not enough for a recall.

Wouldn't it be nice if customers got a copy of these little gems?

Hey, you didn't say you'd replaced the battery! My second guess would have been a PATS exception, of course. :)

** She evidently (now comes the "I feel sooooooo stooopid" part), had flooded ** with all the key turning off and on. No throttle necessary

Pressing the throttle to the floor while cranking will signal the ECM to cut fuel delivery in half. Handy when 'priming' the engine after an oil change, or starting an already flooded engine.

Regards,

-JD

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