snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in news:tuWdnef snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:
I can't figure out why they'd keep production that low if they weren't losing money on the car, unless this is just more of Ford's "exclusive" marketing.
Almost forgot - the "official" guy at the show said the tranny was from the FR500, so that's got to be a few big $$ right there, eh? And I wonder how much Ford had to pay Shelby to use his name on the trunk lid.
"Michael Johnson, PE" wrote in news:tJKdnSLVb-BCgoPZnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:
LOL! I wanted to pop that guy. What a weasel.
I hope it's all wrong too, but there's just too much bullsh*t floating around now. Guess we'll have to wait until it all shakes out.
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Ford buys them anyway... there should be little to nothing in development cost to ford as it's an existing transmission from one of the big transmission manufacturers. I forget which.
walking on a dealer's lot and buying one will be pretty good.
car as easily as they can purchase a $25,000+ sports car. Financing gets in the way for some, others cannot get insurance when financing is approved. This ugly fact will whittle down the pool of potential buyers.
approximately 6,500 of the 2003 Mach 1. Well, they actually built 9,652 units for 2003 and 7,182 for 2004. As you are all to familiar, there were unsold Mach
1's sitting on many dealer's lots; and that was a $29,500 car.a Shelby GT500. Good for them. I am willing to wait to pay M.S.R.P. or less with discounts and incentatives. I paid invoice minus $3,500 for a 2004 Azure Blue Mach 1 and feel confident I can do it again.
the road and the future price of oil and/or technology may erode it's potential value. Point in case, my 2004 Mach 1 isn't commanding a premuim price the the reseller's market right now.
One big issue with the Mach 1's, especially the 2004's is everybody knew what the `05 was going to look like and the buzz that was being generated over it. My local dealer had a primo `04 Yellow Mach 1 on the lot that I almost bought at a deal better then yours. Unfortunately I was in dire need of a truck and decided truck now, `05 later. Well the `05 model year came & went without me being able to cut a deal on one any better then MSRP so I passed. Perhaps I should have bought that Mach I, but then I wouldn't have had any monies as I needed to Truck to generate revenue.
properties. Before I posted it here, I read what was being said about it on another forum. It seemed to be on the up and up.
It just doesn't look like an interview that Ford would want out to the public. Definitely a low budget piece of work. Plus, as Joe said, the Ford guy comes across as a complete ass.
Tremec T-56 6 speed Manual
What's that got to do with anything?
Bugatti's lucky to make 150 cars.
The GT500 might see 1,500 its first year.
The 2004 Toyota Camry sold almost 427,000 in the U.S. in 2004.
Relativity is a relative term.
dwight
You are arguing that the mustang is realatively exclusive. I am arguing it's a regular production car.
But no 'people's model'
It's a mustang with a bigger engine and bigger brakes, etc and so forth. If ford wants to play instant collectable games, then I buy something else. If I wanted to be in some 'exclusive' club, I know enough that it doesn't come with a ford badge and running horse tri-color. Most people who care about having exclusive products will see it as just another mustang.
Not much unlike the 1974 mustang ii (386,000) or the first calender year of production (419,000)
So I suppose one of 1500 big engined camrys would be 'exclusive'?
I knew you were going there. The GT500 will be just another Mustang...
Relatively. And welcome, too.
dwight
It's another mustang. More power, some better braking, better handling, but it's still a mustang. The dealers want people to lose sight of that so they'll pay 60K for it. A mustang, no matter what ford does to it won't be an exclusive car. Most people will see it on the road as just another mustang. Just like a big engined camry would appear as just another camry and the Taurus SHO as just another Taurus.
Yeah. When I finally realized that I'd never have Heather Locklear, she became "just another blonde" to me.
dwight
Always just another blonde that TV told us was what we should want.
If that is true then I just might be done with Ford all together. They spend the last year getting us all lathered up over the car and if they only make 1500 units (whether a year or total doesn't matter) I'm definitely buying a Z06 or Mercedes. I will probably spend less money and have more car. I hope the guy you talked to was an idiot and really doesn't know the actual production number. This whole GT500 launch is starting to look like a real cluster f**k, IMHO.
I would prefer a reasonably priced GT500 for a few reasons. First it is a Mustang and I have been a fan of the car most of my life. Second it can seat four people which is nice. Third, it is a convertible which I can't get in a Z06. This said, my issue is that I will not spend more than $50k for a loaded GT500 convertible and a production run of of less than 3,000 total will guarantee they will sell for close to $60k, IMO. At that price there are too many other cars that are just plain better values. I wouldn't mind them making just a few if they would have said so from the beginning like they did with the "R" Mustangs.
I don't mind them maximizing their profit either. That is what businesses do. I just want some straight shooting with us loyal Mustang owners. I have been a loyal Ford owner most of my life. If they start alienating customers like me they are going to have tough times ahead.
My next high performance car will be that way from the factory. Building a garden variety car into a performer is a real PITA. Been there, done that and my bank account and knuckles have the scars to prove it. For me, the main appeal of the GT500 was its ability to perform in stock trim.
The price premiums for the Steeda, Roush and Saleens aren't worth it, IMO, for what you get. If I had to do it I would get a regular GT vert, rebuild the short block to be bullet proof and top it with a KB blower. Then throw on some brakes and a few handling mods. Then you will really have some added performance for your $15k-$20k.
If Ford does make the GT500 exclusive and it sells for $60k or more it should damn well have IRS.
Exclusivity has never been associated with SVT. They make a hoard of '03-'04 Cobras among other SVT cars like the Focus, Contour, Lightning etc. Like I said earlier, I don't mind them making it exclusive but they should say that from the start and be truthful and consistent. It looks like they are trying to turn the GT500 into another Ford GT type of release. Like I said, if they do this I will likely not buy another Ford.
My point exactly. It's easy to say that NOW...
And, now that I know I probably will never own one, I can safely say that the GT500 is just another Mustang.
dwight
Was it just me or did that interview look like a skit from Saturday Night Live?
If Ford did such a poor job of planning for this vehicle that they can't make money from it selling at $40k-$50k then they are in far bigger trouble than I realized. I hope all this is wrong but I have a feeling it isn't.
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