more Saturn complaints (casting flaws cause cracked heads)

Apr 12, 2008 30 Replies

You are correct, I was too specific, I should have said 'who trust the car industry.'

I agree that there is sometimes great variability of response to customer concerns. It often seems to depend on current corporate profitability and on product margin.

I agree, especially regarding the few additional failures occuring after expiry of the extended waranty, but the bean counters and lawyers are in charge of company policy and we know they tend to be mean and short sighted in these matters. They probably saw no immediate gain in providing warranty coverage to mainly second (or third) owners who were not good prospects to purchase new models soon. I am sure that most of these people would have been happy to receive a partial warranty in the form of highly discounted new or rebuilt exchange head assembies which they could instal themselves and would not result in Saturn paying the dealers a large amount for warranty installation.

Most corporations talk customer loyalty and repeat business but few actually invest the effort to develop it. I can only assume that the GM market research has shown that 'you can't please all the people all the time' and am sure that there is a point of diminishing returns. Toyota is a growing company that is developing market share while GM is a company with both declining market share and vision. How could Saturn discontinue the excelent fuel efficient S series (particularly the SW1 model) in favor of larger SUVs and niche market sports cars instead of developing an even more fuel efficient turbo diesel? They did this at a time when 'peak oil' and rising world oil demand and prices were quite obvious. Toyota has manufactured the similar Corrola model for many many years and IIRC it continues to sell well with much customer loyalty and repeat purchasers. I would have purchased a new replacement for my SW1 several years ago but they had discontinued the SOHC engine and Saturn (or GM) no longer manufacture any mini SW model that fits my needs or interest.

We can debate why the S series was not more profitable, but I suspect that it had more to do with management and marketing than engineering, or cost effectiveness.

I have been very satisfied with the usability, utility, economy and reliability of the SW1, I will not be replacing it with any SUV. The VW Golf and Jetta look very good but the rising Euro will make them pricey. I will buy what I want to buy and not just what a seller has or wishes to sell me. Oil hit close to $120/barrel today and I suspect we will not see

It's not the steel causing the corrosion of the aluminum, it's the salt. Specifically the chlorine in the salt.

I readily admit that I am not a corrosion engineer, but to my uneducated experience this seems to be a classic case of galvanic corrosion,

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between two dissimilar metals (steel and aluminum) in the presence of an electrolyte (road salt + water).Since aluminum is lower than steel in the galvanic series,
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aluminum will act as the anode and cause aluminum ions to migrate to the steel which is acting as the cathode. This galvanic corrosion is in addition to the normal corrosion that would be experienced by the aluminum caused by exposure to the road salt + water solution, (which may also have a galvanic component depending on any other elements present in the solution).

I note that zinc (and cadmium) is lower than aluminum (and steel) in the galvanic series so zinc plated galvanized bolts would seem to cause the anode/cathode relationship to reverse, at least until the galvanic corrosion of the zinc anode exposes the steel and reverses the anode/cathode to again favor corrosion to occur in the aluminum, I suspect that this process gets quite confused and contributes to accelerated corrosion of all the metals.

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Just MHU, if I am misunderstanding this process, please enlighten me.

When aluminum and carbon steel are fastened together and gotten wet *without* salt, it's the steel that corrodes, not the aluminum.

Salt will cause damn near anything to corrode.

You understand the process; what you're missing is that the steel bolts aren't actually in contact with aluminum at all. Aluminum oxidizes so rapidly when exposed to air that virtually all aluminum objects are covered with a very thin layer of aluminum oxide. *That* is what the steel bolts are in contact with. And aluminum oxide is a very stable compound, not readily reactive at all. That's why under normal circumstances, it will be the steel that corrodes and not the aluminum.

Adding salt changes everything: chlorine is even more corrosive than oxygen, and free chloride ions will attack even aluminum oxide.

WRONG! The steel heads on the bolts on my car remained intact. The hole in the aluminum shields rusted out to the point where they became bigger than the bolt.

Yep. I work for Saturn. I hate to see people lie about a great company! Saturn makes great cars.I'de love to beat some sense into misterfact (Mike Korman), but since I'm too stupid and lazy to refute anything he says with facts; and I'm too cowardly to go over to his house and re-arrange his brain-I decided to go to a lot of expence and waste my precious time to find out who he is, where he lives and his phone number-then plaster it all over the internet..

That way someone else might go over to his house and do the job for me, or else call him up in the middle of the night.

I guess I could sue him for defaming the company, but that means I'de have to face him in court and document all his lies, which again, I don't know how to do or am to lazy to do. Then too, he'd get MY name and address!

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=2EI work for Saturn. I hate to see people lie about a great company! Saturn makes great cars.I'de love to beat some sense into misterfact (Mike Korman), but since I'm too stupid and lazy to refute anything he says with facts; and I'm too cowardly to go over to his house and re- arrange his brain-I decided to go to a lot of expense and waste my precious time to find out who he is, where he lives and his phone number-then plaster it all over the internet..

That way someone else might go over to his house and do the job for me, or else call him up in the middle of the night.

I guess I could sue him for defaming the company, but that means I'de have to face him in court and document all his lies, which again, I don't know how to do or am to lazy to do. Then too, he'd get my name and address!

Yep.

Ug, I just wore out my scroll button. adding another one to my block list, bye!

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