BP/AMOCO pipeline rant--semi OT

For me the real pisser is that they have the money to fix them when it would be less expensive to do, but are so busy raking in the big bucks they'd rather wait until absolutely forced to by the spectre of no bucks at all coming in (and the looming threat of another disaster/ long trial/ cleanup/ public relations debacle). The bastards!

Why don't they simply patch the existing leak, & then build a new pipeline next to the old one, connecting to the pumping stations AFTER all of the new pipe is laid? My grandfather was a pipeline engineer, but I have no knowledge of the subject, just wondering...

-- Barry'd in Studes

It's not that easy. Imagine a two lane road built for all those miles, zigzagging the easiest route, with bridges, and tunnels (through rock). Most of it on narrow stilts with rollers for the pipe(s) to move when they expand and contract. All with no right of way. There's no room to put parallel pipes down on either side, on top, or underneath.

"Barry" wrote...

Well,

This is sounding more nad more like we REALLY REALLY need to be spending more on R&D for alternative energy storage and conversion.

I don't say source, because it's almost all Solar, whether it has been locked up underground for 5 million years or it's arriving on a solar cell to keep a car battery trickle charged.

in my head,I keep hearing "Bad Moon A-Rising" from Credence Clearwater Revival whenever I hear the news about energy production and Fundamentalist Muslim terror actions.

Mark (looking for some good news) Dunning

----------- Barry, that's exactly what I was th> Why don't they simply patch the existing leak, & then build a new pipeline

Quit watching and listening to all this crap. You say you want 'someone' to spend more to develop 'something' that you are not willing to pay more for. WTH kind of thinking is that? This is an election cycle, and the media is going to whip up a frenzy to either scare you, or piss you off. All in the name of 'watch my channel, listen to my station,or read my paper".. Just so they can tell you which idjit will come along and solve it all and make your life easier...if you vote thisaway.. Sigh..... Two year old (plus) news in purposely rehashed in prime time on a preplanned calendar to stir the pot.

"markshere2" wrote:...

Damn, Rice - you sound more jaded than me!

Yessir... Same message, same channel, same meaning, same song, same sanity, same honesty, same logic. same truth. Some things never change, and some things never should change. Jeff

"Pat Drnec" wrote...

Karl, There is no 'alongside' on a pipeline through rock, or over a mountain. Go look at the original route that pipeline took. You could parallel pipeline only about 250 miles of it. So, go back to when they built the thing in the first place. Would it have been financially feasible to build double the required capacity at that time, at triple or quadruple the cost? Would the customer (you) have been willing to pay the upcharge to buy the doubled capacity for a 'someday' scenario? Good question. Are you willing to pay double right now, today, for fuel to ensure future capacity 25 years from now? Another good question. If you are, then what are you/we doing to get this done? Are we helping the oil companies explore and drill for oil? Or are we standing by idly while political groups with an agenda block every move that capitalists make to stay in business and make a profit? More good questions. Knowing who the big bad guys are and standing your ground personally as well as verbally is the key. Jeff (semi OT, my ass....) Rice

So, build a spare alongside and don't use it until the other needs

But he didn't say 'someone', he said WE. As in our Govt.should maybe treat energy as a national security issue, which it properly is. Nazi Germany was defeated as much by an energy crisis as by guns and tanks. Of course, we could all just bury our heads in the sand, trusting that our elected officials will take care of everything for us.

How's that work> Yessir...

"Big Inch and "Little Inch" pipelines were built in 1943 and 1944 and are still in use today. Funny what regular maintenance and inspection will do for equipment or pipelines or your car.

that BP does not care about the environment or the lives of their employees. Jim

Damn... right on schedule. Pavlov would be so proud.

Lee

Just like you're doing???

Lee