Kids Don't Want to Drive? OT

A while back I commented that young men are not excited about the prospect of driving, and was met with incredulity (I'm taking "What planet are you from?" as incredulity). In the article below, A Major Daily Newspaper Which Cannot Spell hazards its guess as to why this has come to pass. I was pleased to see a reference to a Mid-Sized City Near Me, which I contend (with a nod to Florida's "special issues") has the absolute worst drivers in the country. Also note the involvement of the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, the smiling spawn of satan.

I got a license at 16 "like everybody else," after a mandatory and mediocre school course which is no longer offered, with a couple of years of off-road (construction site) experience. My father was 14 in 1937, and signed a paper testifying that he already knew how to drive (he did). He's 84 now, a million-miler, and (tap wood) has never had a major accident. My son, 15 (And a half! Important here) has the permit, could pass tomorrow on a one-ton, is mildly frustrated by the clutch, and shows emphatic disinterest in our 6X6. I had him stop the Cherokee on a back road the other day to get the feel of doing burnouts, and he asked why you'd want to do that. I'm perplexed.

My question is: at what age and under what circumstances did NG'ers get a driving license, and did you find your preparation was adequate for the real world?

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Safety Fears, Insurance Costs, New Laws Push Back Age When Teens Start to Drive Wall Street Journal April 27, 2006; Page D1

Racing out to get your driver's license has long been a rite of passage upon turning 16.

Not so in Julie Malkin's household. Although her state allows licensing as early as age 16, the Toledo, Ohio, mother says her teenage daughter "was in no way ready at that age for the responsibility of driving." She required her to wait until she was 17.

Ms. Malkin may reflect a national trend. The proportion of 16-year-olds who hold licenses has dropped four percentage points since 2001 to 30%, part of a 10-year decline totaling more than 12 points since the mid-1990s, Federal Highway Administration data show.

The trend is driven largely by a move among states toward graduated driver's licensing. Rather than giving new drivers unrestricted licenses, 45 states now impose three-stage requirements, including an intermediate stage after the learner's permit, before a full license is granted, says the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, an Arlington, Va., nonprofit. That means it generally takes teens longer to complete the process.

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Sue Shellenbarger discusses reader email.However, growing parental protectiveness also is playing a role, experts say. While the bulk of states' graduated-licensing laws were passed in the mid- to late 1990s, the

16-year-old driver rates have continued a steady decline since then, driven at least partly by family factors.

"Parents are being more protective," says Jonathan Adkins, a spokesman for the Governors Highway Safety Association, a Washington nonprofit. "A lot of parents are scared" by both the hazards and the high insurance premiums associated with driving at 16.

The trend poses challenges for parents, not the least of which is dealing with sullen 16-year-olds who are chafing to drive. But it promises to reduce high teen car-crash rates and ease parents' worry and costs.

"People drive like idiots," Ms. Malkin says, citing an incident on I-80 near her home. She says her daughter, driving on a learner's permit, was forced onto a berm on the shoulder of a highway by a speeding truck that didn't let her merge onto the road. Her daughter was frightened of driving too, she says. "So many kids we knew had been in accidents. It was a regular occurrence to see cars in the ditch, to hear in school that 'so-and-so got in an accident.' "

Motor-vehicle crashes are still the leading cause of death among 16- to

20-year-olds, accounting for more than twice as many fatalities as the next-highest cause, homicide, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says. But the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety says the reduced licensing rate among the youngest potential drivers has cut the rate of fatal accidents in the 16-year-old population as a whole. Fatal car crashes among all 16-year-olds, drivers and nondrivers, have declined by 26% since 1993, the institute says.

Adding a 16-year-old to your auto insurance boosts premiums sharply. In an example provided by State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance, Bloomington, Ill., the annual premium on an average policy for an Indianapolis father with a 2002 Honda Civic would more than double, to $1,370 a year from $628, if he added his 16-year-old daughter as an occasional driver. If she were the primary driver, the annual premium would soar to $1,706. Drivers' training courses, too, now cost several hundred dollars per student, far more than in the past, when high schools routinely offered it as part of the curriculum.

More parents are treating driving as a parenting tool rather than an entitlement. Maggi Pratt, owner of a State Farm Insurance agency in Bloomington, Ill., says she sees a significant increase in parents raising the bar, "requiring their kids to get good grades in school, and also to help out financially" with car insurance, she says. Greg Golden, who manages an import-export business in Los Angeles, is already telling his 12-year-old son that driving will hinge not on turning 16, but on his behavior and school performance.

Changing family lifestyles come into play, too. Some kids are too busy to run the increasingly complex licensing gantlet set up by many states. Steve Boggs, Gaffney, S.C., says his daughter, now 19, still hasn't found the time to meet the requirements to transition from a six-month learner's permit to an intermediate license. She has played tennis competitively, which takes up a lot of her time. And during the past three summers, she has been in Canada or Europe studying foreign languages. "Kids nowadays have much less time than I did at that age," Mr. Boggs says.

Also, some of today's involved parents don't mind driving their teenagers around. One factor that has Mary Glenn, Colleyville, Texas, delaying her son from starting the learner's permit process at 15 is that he would lose time with his dad, who shuttles him to school every day. "If you didn't drive them around, think of how much you lose" in time spent interacting, she says.

Although many parents believe it's necessary to police kids' driving more closely, it bears burdens. Tony Clement, president of a San Jose, Calif., construction-supply company, revoked his 17-year-old son's license after a series of minor infractions, telling him he'd get it back after he graduates. But while Mr. Clement knows his decision was wise, dealing with his son's disappointment has been hard. "I'm probably more miserable than he is."

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I was 20 yrs old when I got my license because I could not afford auto insurance until then (mandatory insurance and financial responsibility laws and all that).

I had the regular Drivers Ed in HS, and had driven a motorcycle for four years before I got a car license.

p.d.

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Oujdeivß

I got my license when I was 16, (fall of 1975), learned to drive in my dad's

1974 Ford Galaxie 500

my mom never drove, due to her health, so when I got my license, it relieved my dad of spending all day saturday doing errands...... mom and I could do them after school, and on weekends.

so, spring of 1976, he was wanting his car back.... told me my budget was $1,000, and go find a used car.

not a problem

the two finalists were a 1967 Buick Electra 225 4-door, and the 1969 Pontiac Bonneville 4-door, that he bought.

life was good, until he borrowed the bonneville to go do a quick errand..... then I couldn't get him out of it.

oh, well, mom and I managed with the ford..

31 years later, 2 minor accidents,neither was my fault, one in a company vehicle.....

I must have learned something

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markansas859

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John Poulos

Same here, got my license at 16, having already driven my grandfather's tractors, etc. - my first legal stint behind the wheel was the day after I got my learner's permit and consisted of my dad handing me the keys to my mom's Renault and asking me if I wanted to drive home, in a couple blocks I had the clutch figured out and that was it.

I guess I always was into cars and was paying attention to others' driving and learning from it; I've only had two "accidents" of any kind of severity (not counting being rear-ended in DC traffic) and one of those was due to a tire suddenly going flat in the middle of a corner.

nate

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Nate Nagel

I learned in a 1949 Land Cruiser back in 1955 when I was 15. Man that was some boat. LOL Wish I still had it. We had a widowed aunt who lived about half a mile from our home. I could have the car as long as I made the trip over to shovel her walks and keep the stoker full. (How many remember filling the stoker?) Mike W

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Mike Williams

Whats a stoker???????

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Transtar60

One who shoveled coal on the Titanic???

JT

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Grumpy AuContraire

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Mike Williams

snip

The corn burning stoves that I have looked at use a similiar device.

My house has a heat pump. No ashes no cinders no smell.

Works real well till the temp drops below 15-20 ºF.

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Transtar60

I got my license in 1957 when i was 16.My first car was a 51 olds 98 & every time i went some were & turned it off it would not start. I would call the ESSO station my father delt with he would come & give me a boost.Finally after 10 or 12 times he said son get rid of this car it has no compression.Since that time i have had over 50 cars some bad & some good.My parents didnt buy me or my 2 brothers cars we had to work to get them.

Lenny 64 Avanti R2

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Lenny

Got my lisence when I was 16 but by then I had three motorcycles I started riding them at twelve. The first car I drove is still around though it has been reincarnated twice but the 54 still keep a going. I got my first real driving experiences driving tractors working for the neighbors and running from the tribal cops during smudging season. The

54 could fly low with that flat head and overdrive.
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Studebaker Kid

Long ago and far away.

I have been driving (legally) for a half-century and until 1991, I recognized myself to be a shitty driver, but far above average.

When I got to England, I realized that I was still a shitty driver, but below average.

UK drivers licence test. (Assume an eyetest somewhere in here):

Read the book, pass the written test and get a permit to get behind the wheel

Sit before a screen and hit the clicker when you spot a hazard, such as a parked car with smoke coming from exhaust and front wheels turned, ball rolling into street and so on..

Go for driving test of 45 minutes. This may include bein told to take me downtown to XXX building at the junction of main street and south street. You may be told this at a location that will take you on a straight-ahead lane that turns into a right-turn only lane. or one that meets another at an angled junction, so that driving normally will take your front bumper partway over the centre-line if you don't watch it. You may also get a a bad mark if, following the speed limit, you cause traffic to back up behind you. That is the more serious fault!

Back around a corner without the car ever getting more than 18" from the kerb (I may be wrong on the 18")

If you have done well so far, you will be asked to check the tyres for pressure, cuts, odd wear pattern and so on then on to checking the lights, including brake light, by yourself. Then check the various fluids, belts for grazing and tautness, and so on. Windows are included.

On my big day, the inspector and I were walking across a grassy bit of ground to get to my car when I stepped on a leaf. Under this leaf was a dog turd and the leaf slipped out from under me. I did a "genuflection" without missing a word in what I had been saying! I think that I passed the test right then and the rest was formality!

Back in US, I am still a shitty driver and wish the others would come up to my standard.

Karl

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