Why would it be a troll? The dash cup holder on my '01 OBW was a joke.
The holder barely held 12 oz. cans and small plastic bottles. The the
beverage was toward the full side, it spilled on the dash and radio
face. The design of the holder prevented it from being used for
anything else, like phones, PDA's, glasses...
Not really. My previous car was a Chevy Blazer, 95. They had cup
holder in the floor console. it was solid and deep and it had opening
on one side for the handle of a coffee cup. It has small circumference
in the bottom (for paper fast-food type cups I assume) and larger
circumference about an inch up for wider coffee cups. The whole thing
was lined with a small rubber overlay that was removable that I could
clean in the dishwasher. Coffee spilled daily.
This Forester cup holder is a joke. As said, it spills across the HVAC
and radio faces which has CD and tape openings. Its flimsy as hell.
It wont hold a thermos. It won't hold a coffee mug. its not
'removeable' for washing, and it was dirty when I bought it.
The car itself I like, but I'm just wondering WTH they were thinking
with this "cup holder" and did they wake up yet?
And for Japanese, im just wondering if in their culture they dont drink
morning beverages or maybe don't drink while they are driving?
"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor
Actually, my '98 Forester had holder as you describe but my '03 does
not. There are 2 open holders in the center and 2 in the back. Never
bothered me as I never drink coffee or anything else while driving.
Only time I ever used was when I was out hunting and came back to car
to have lunch. Noticed a lot of little improvements of my '03 vs the
The cup holder in my 2000 Forester was not well designed or thought
out. I try to think and enjoy the other 99,000 things that were. We
must have a boring life to spend soooo much time fretting about
I purchased a '99 OBW and all the coffee cup holders where broken. I was
able to fix the dashboard one and I'm really glad I replaced my radio
with one that has a remote control, else I would have a hard time
changing stations with a coffee there. But for sure the holders are very
flimsy. I like the idea of the rear coffee holder but it was sort of
broke and the first time my youngest used it and accidentally kicked it,
which just destroyed it.
But I liked my OBW enough I purchased a '03 WRX wgn. The dashboard
holder doesn't work very well and I can't easily use the center console
because its too small for most travel mugs. Of course I spill lots of
coffee but I just have to remember to put less in or corner a little
slower till I've drunk most of the coffee.
Honestly, though: do you want a fellow Subie owner who's willing to make a
vehicle choice based on a gd cup-holder, ignoring the crappy roll-over
stats, the terrible recall track-record, and the money-grubbing nature of
Let him take his life in his own hands over a cup-holder, and select himself
right out of the gene pool.
On the other hand, you could think of it this way: in the summer, you're
running A/C. The A/C blows on the cup and keeps your cold drink cool.
In the winter, you're running heat. The heat blows on your drink and keeps
And my Impreza cup holders hold coffee cups just fine; or are you talking
about those huge 40oz super-slurp big-gulp coffee barrels that some people
like to lug around like some kind of safety blanket?
I know what you mean. Can't see or operate some HVAC or radio controls if
you are using the holders.
That and the weird location for a parking light switch, cruise switch on
left dash and control on right steering column. One of the stranger interior
configurations I have driven. I know the holders on the new style Foresters
have been redesigned.
Our Ford had the CC button on the dash. I don't think that's unusual. My
'06 WRX has the button on the 'end' of the CC stalk, much better.
The parking light switch is actually in 2 places. easy enough to ignore
the one on top of the steering column. (I think its weird too, but
evidently useful in the the European market.)
1 Lucky Texan
Same thoughts here on those locations but we work around them.
We decided not to buy a Chrysler back in 1990 because it had NO
cupholders. Instead, we acquired our first Subaru, a Legacy. In '95
we got an LSI wagon and in '01 we acquired our present Forester.
We've been happy ever since that Chrysler had NO cupholder.
People laugh, but salespeople have told me that ergonomic features,
like cup holders, really do move a lot of cars. My current
manual-shift Toyota truck (with no real back seat <G>) has (5) cup
holders and (5) door bins that'll hold 1 liter bottles, all accessible
from the front seats. My manual-shift OBW had ONE real cup holder,
and the crappy one in the dash.
Even back in the 70's, cup holders, change trays, pockets, and bins
were a Japanese selling point. I remember the attention my parent's
mid-70's Corolla got due to Toyota's thoughtful use of hollow spaces.
Well into the 80's, many domestic cars still had inaccessible and
unusable hollow spaces, with bins and trays only available as extra
cost options, if at all.
I wonder how may OBW owners that guffaw at and downplay the crappy
dashboard cup holder complaint are proud to brag about the organizer
bin over the spare tire? <G>
All Subie needed to do on mine, was incorporate some sort of netting
or side rails into the flip out cup holder and it would have been
great for sport glasses, phones, MP3 players, etc... They could have
even sold an accessory that fit into it to make it more useful.
Now, don't get me going about Subaru's "glasses compartment", has
anyone every tried to put anything besides old-fart reading glasses in
it? "Sports" glasses don't fit, safety glasses don't fit, my flat
templed aviation glasses don't fit... <G>
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