Should you buy a Subaru?

Jul 26, 2004 48 Replies

What is there to know? There are sort of bicycles with engines. Inhabit a nether world between autos and bicycles. Come in at least as great a variety of styles as autos. They have controls that you have to learn to use, just like a car. If you know how to ride a bicycle, or once did, learning will be easier. Given a large empty parking lot, I can teach you to operate one in 20 minutes. Learning to proficiently operate the controls takes about

10-40 hours. Learning to operate a motorcycle safely in traffic is something that you never stop learning. Motorcycles are relatively dangerous machines. Protective clothing can help a lot. Riding style is a big factor too. You can buy insanely powerful motorcycles for less than the cost of an average motorcycle. You can buy a motorcycle quite similar to professional racing bikes for 10 grand, give or take. (You can't touch a Nascar or Indy car for anything close to the price of an typical car.) Motorcycles can be fun to drive. Ones with small engines can get 2 or 3 or 4 times the miles per gallon of a car. Big ones can drop to around 30 mpg. Bikes cost from $2,500 to $25,000. Learning to ride on a small bike is easier, and safer. There are 4 kinds of bikes, although the lines blur: crotch rockets, cruisers, off road bikes, and standards (which is what all bikes were before ~1975.) Motorcycles can have 1, 2, 3, or 4 cylinders. Air cooled or water cooled. Most Jap bikes are pretty reliable. The dependability of American bikes (primarily Harley) is debated, but the modern ones are pretty reliable. European bikes are like European cars. Go to a dealer, sit on some bikes, go to he library and read Cycle World or a similar mag.

What else is there to know?

Well ... after trying my BMW motorcycle my brother (experienced on motorcycles, but primarily offroad ones) said "How many cylinders does this have?" "Two" "Interesting. Why would you ever need more?"

I know of VW Kombi's driving around with Subaru engines and happy owners. I know of homebuilt planes with Subaru engines. I haven't yet heard of a motorcycle with one.

-- Bruce

My 1100cc BMW gets 60 mpg with two people and luggage if I stick to the speed limit.

I highly advise learning offroad, in the dirt and mud, until you know instinctively what to do in a skid.

Until the BMW R90S, you mean. Which, like its sucessors, fits none of your categories. It's a "sport tourer", which means it's not built for absolute speed, or absolute comfort, but rather for high speeds and high comfort, all day, on back roads.

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What I've been riding since 1995:

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Someone else's website (in Finland!) with peeks of my bike in late '97:

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Or six. See the Honda CBX and the more recent Gold Wings.

-- Bruce

My wife rides a Honda ST1300 and I ride a ST1100. The ST stands for Sport Touring. They are very comfortable bikes and are ledgendary for their reliabiltiy an range. I usually average about 340 miles a tank of gas. That's over 5 hours riding without putting a foot down. Anyone who owns one falls in love with the bike. I've never heard one bad thing said about a Honda ST. IMO, it is the finest bike ever made.

BlueSTi "Scary-Fast"

It's a good bike, for sure. And when I was selling my K100 I took an ST1100 for a test ride and gave it very serious consideration vs the R1100RT. The price difference was something like $200, which was pretty much irrelevent.

The day was overcast and slightly drizzly and the road was therefore wet. Ideal conditions for testing a bike that you plan to ride every day.

The ST1100 pumped water from the road directly onto my feet, soaking them within 10 km.

I have never, ever, had a BMW do that to me. I bought the BMW. My feet stay bone dry even in heavy rain.

-- Bruce

Or, of course, the Valkyrie...

And there have been exotic bikes with 8's and I think even a 12. And then there's that outrageous Dodge V-10 engine strapped to a seat and two closely-spaced pairs of wheels that some say passes for a motorcycle.

- Greg Reed

This bike was discussed on a History Channel show about motorcycles. (Probably Modern Marvels -- I watch a lot of that.) IIRC, nobody since the builder has been brave enough to actually ride it more than a couple of feet -- sorta like that Dodge Vipercycle abomination I mentioned.

- Greg Reed

I can't argue with you there. The ST1100 will get your feet wet in a down pour. But, the ST1300 will not. They make little food shields for ST1100. But I wear riding boots and they shed water for a long time. Here in Idaho it doesn't rain but about once a month. So, I enjoy the cool air across my hot feet.

So how did you find an RT that was within $200 of an ST??? I looked at an RT and it was at least $2000 more.

BlueSTi "Scary-Fast"

Interesting to know, next time I'm in the market for a new bike, probably sometime after 2010.

Here in NZ it rains a lot, winter and summer.

I don't know the current price difference. But that was the price difference in NZ in spring 1995 when the first batch of R1100RTs arrived from Germany.

-- Bruce

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