high performance thermostat ?

is there such s thing as a "..high performance thermostat.." (or is it called
something else) ?
just finished a total engine build, machined heads, all new internal parts
have normally run without a thermostat due to increase in engine temp
in case it matters, car is mazda mpv and asking at the dealer parts depot just
gets me
blank stares.
don't even know where to ask so if anyone knows of a place, please post url or
name
Reply to
nick
just gets me
not really. thermostats sold as "high performance" are generally just lower temp thermostats which are a band-aid for too-high compression and/or insufficient cooling capacity.
That said, if you can find a Robert Shaw "fail-safe" thermostat for your engine, those are a nice upgrade. They're a higher quality than OEM and typically don't fail stuck closed. I'd stick with the stock temp rating though.
nate
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N8N
Ask the guy at the parts store if they have a thermostat that opens at a temperature lower than stock. He should be able to tell you since these parts are sold by the temperature at which they open. High performance thermostat sounds kinda goofy. A super high performance thermostat would be one that opened when the engine is cold. :-)
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dsi1
"nick" wrote in news:-PGdnaoI_vnvAXzXnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:
For a *minvan*??
Reply to
fred
And be prepared to get crappy mileage and likely wipe out the O2 sensors as well.
A thermostat in most engines does more than regulate water temp, it also regulates flow. The restriction in the system keeps the water in the engine longer to absorb more heat and make sure it gets into all the passages. Without it there are places that will develop steam pockets which will cause you a lot of problems. But it's your vehicle....
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Steve W.
"nick" wrote in news:-PGdnaoI_vnvAXzXnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:
Then you have a deeper problem with the cooling system. Removal of the thermostat is masking that.
The cooling system is one automotive system that has remained fairly simple over the years, even as other systems have become hideously complex. Troubleshooting is easy.
No modern Mazda or any other modern Japanese car should have ANY trouble exhausting engine heat with the standard OEM thermostat provided the rest of the cooling system is in proper shape. Do not try to do a bandaid fix with the wrong thermostat, but correct the underlying problem instead.
This engine, like those in all modern Japanese cars, uses a high-flow, low- heat-transfer cooling system. Coolant is meant to speed through the system quickly, but not /too/ quickly. /Too/quickly means overcooling, excessive emissions, and severe engine wear. Not quickly enough means overheating.
Check for these things (besides external leaks and a blown head gasket): - Evidence of actual overheating (need to rule out faulty gauge; infrared thermometer required) - Radiator that's internally plugged - Radiator with fins corroded away - Radiator with fins coated with gunk such that air cannot pass through - Radiator fan not operational, or starting up too late - Block water jackets that are silted-up due to incorrect coolant or insufficient fluid changes - Aftermarket thermostat (these are usually inferior to the OEM that comes with Japanese cars, which is usually the excellent-quality ND brand) - Water pump with loose impeller (don't laugh; I've seen this with aftermarket) - Aftermarket hoses, which can collapse under suction - Excessively advanced ignition timing - Excessive carbon buildup in combustion chamber (guess you've dealt with this by now).
Reply to
Tegger
all internal gaskets are brand new (felpro)
no evidence. power output increased due to size of bore, machining of heads
brand new radiator installed.
pressure test performed after installation, all parts are new
new water pump installed, better than OEM
uncollapsible coilwire supported hoses installed.
timing is set perfect according to computer tests, chamber is so clean you can eat from it.
Reply to
nick
fresh rebuilt engines may run hot until everything breaks in. perfectly normal. Worry if it's overheating with a stock thermostat after a couple hundred miles, and try not to drive it during break in where it would be likely to overheat (e.g. don't drive it where you're likely to be caught in stop and go traffic.)
I second all the responses to use a stock temp rating thermostat and not worry about it.
nate
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Nate Nagel
"nick" wrote in news:QYKdnYbGdIes63_XnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:
Nevertheless, if you've done all that work, the cooling system should now be in tip-top shape.
A modern Japanese cooling system has a tremendous amount of heat-exhaustion capability and should be more than able to keep up with bigger bangs in your cylinders.
Put a new OEM thermostat in there and see what happens. I'd also recommend a new OEM rad cap as well.
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Tegger
The comments and items listed by Tegger are accurate and thorough. For what its worth, in 1982 I had an old 1966 Dodge slant 6 that overheated. I installed new "everything" in an attempt to fix it. The problem was solved one day when I had the radiator cap off the new radiator to check coolant level because of overheating, --- the sun was shining at just the right angle to illuminate the inside of the new radiator and the top of several of the tubes. The tubes in the NEW recently installed radiator were plugged with small calcium carbonate pieces that had been breaking off inside the block. This was due to the radiator cleaner I had used when I first began. As mentioned the engine was old and had likely been filled mostly with water that had a high mineral content. I had the new radiator rodded and bought a sieve at the hardware store, removed the stainless screen and made a funnel that would fit inside the top return tube of the radiator, pointed end into the radiator. I made sure the screen would not get pushed in too far (bent a few of the screen strands back over the radiator tube and then pushed the hose back on. Later I made one for a different car and just made the filter screen long enough to touch the oposite side of the radiator. At first I checked it daily and would remove all the little pieces of calcium carbonate. As time went by fewer pieces showed up and after a few months it was clean. I left the screen in and would check it every two or three months just to be sure. I sort of remember leaving the screen unchecked one time, and waited untill the engine began to run warmer than normal Though its not really necessary I have since used distilled water instead of plain old tap water with antifreeze, in all my subsequent cars, about 15-20 I am 67 and rebuilt my first engine from a 1940 ford when I was 14 in 1956 but have not worked in the automotive industry, only on my own cars or friends cars Good luck- hope this might be of use
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bill

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