Need your advice on a good inside automotive tire patch

AMuzi wrote, on Fri, 11 Dec 2015 08:12:17 -0600:

Most chemicals don't know what company they work for, so, while I fully and completely *understand* your concerns about having all the chemicals coming in the same color can, I pretty much consider naptha from brand A to be the same as naptha from brand b.

I don't buy scared.

The carbide bit is usually set to about 2000 to 5000 rpm in most of the professional descriptions; it's the half-round rasper that seems to be set really slowly at 500 rpm.

The pre-buff step can be skipped, as the main purpose seems to be to prevent the half-round rasper from getting clogged, which is something of import to a guy who fixes tires all day, but which is far less important to a guy who only repairs his tires once every three years.

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Danny D.
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Wolfgang wrote, on Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:58:14 -0500:

That is a good point. The Dunning-Kruger effect should be known to *all* of us.

There are many ways to summarize the Dunning-Kruger effect, but, one way, that relates to your comment above, is that the more we know, the more we realize that we don't know.

Another way to summarize Dunning-Kruger is to say that only a fool thinks he knows everything.

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Danny D.

snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca posted for all of us...

All the time he wasted on asking questions and arguing with you he could have spent he could have made a freek'n tire himself. I'm surprised no one local to him just didn't give the tire a sidewall aneurysm.

Clare, you are absolutely correct that his survivors will end up in court after his "patch" fails. Our shop worked on cop cars and occasionally state police troopers would come in. "NO plugs patches only" I wouldn't want crap on my car at 120 and they didn't get it either.

There are things called ethics and morals which DD doesn't seem to comprehend. Only DISCOUNT, FREE, CHEAPER. He knows it all, except...

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Tekkie®

Ashton Crusher posted for all of us...

True. This is not mandated by the gov't. However the manufacturers have researched this extensively because front wheel or 4 wheel drive is now the norm. Some where there has to be trust, because why not just slap undersize d tires on, run oil to 25k, one doesn't need that piece of plastic there, no seat belts, etc. You make your choices then live with them.

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Tekkie®

Danny D. posted for all of us...

Snipped because I'm tired of seeing the same reply to posts. It was directe d at you. As others have said there are some things others should do. If you REALLY wanted to know how to do it you would have DAGS. Education is not free. The uneducated have to pay the price. You are paying nothing but replying with snarky knitting group answers. Grow up. The world doesn't exist just for you. You are on the same plane as Stumped.

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Tekkie®

snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca posted for all of us...

Yeah, I'm getting Stumpy flashbacks. I gotta chill out and just read the crap for amusement purposes only.

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Tekkie®

Clare thinks he's the only one who knows anything or is entitled to an opinion. Whenever someone else says anything outside his experience base or different then he (or she) believes, his (or her) panties get in a bunch and he (or she) starts tossing around insults.

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Ashton Crusher

Ashton Crusher wrote, on Sat, 12 Dec 2015 16:47:46 -0700:

It's ok with me as long as I learn something.

Clare, for example, corrected that the pre-buff fluid is Naptha, and not MEK (which I confirmed with an MSDS). It's 100% naptha, which is easy to come by for homeowners.

The only fluid I don't think I'll find in the box stores is the black tar goop, which, from the MSDS, isn't anything special.

It's just a coating of rubberized dried petroleum. But, it's not easy to find so far in the box stores.

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Danny D.

Tekkie® wrote, on Sat, 12 Dec 2015 16:53:22 -0500:

This is wrong. Dead wrong. But you're entitled to your opinion. If you don't know how to do it, you don't really need to respond anyway. I'll learn from the guys who *do* know how to do the job right anyway.

If you think for a split second that the guy who repairs your tires gives a hoot about your safety, you're dead wrong.

They're just trying to get "stuff" through their shop. That's it. To them, you're just another 'job'.

The proof is that *every* time I watch them, I see them make mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake (some of which has already been reported).

The ancient adage still holds, despite the fact you seem to think it doesn't hold true.

If you want the job done right - do it yourself.

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Danny D.

Tekkie® wrote, on Sat, 12 Dec 2015 16:33:59 -0500:

What you're saying, in effect, is that you feel all the time *wasted* [sic] on *thinking*, is wasted effort, in your mind.

And that's fine, because it's *your* mind that thinks that way.

My mind "wastes" time on thinking things through. Thank you.

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Danny D.

Oren wrote, on Sat, 12 Dec 2015 18:41:47 -0800:

What I love about knowing how to do something is that you then know whether the pro is following the rules or not.

Most often, sadly, they skip many steps, mainly because they really don't care.

But you'd never know, unless you knew enough to know.

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Danny D.

Oren wrote, on Sat, 12 Dec 2015 18:38:56 -0800:

Thanks for being on my support team! :)

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Danny D.

I've got the music from Star Trek floating through my head. A five year mission, to seek out new wisdom, and understanding.

I also like to learn some about other trades, nice to be able to tell which guys and gals are doing it correctly.

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Stormin Mormon

Unfortunately, sometimes it's too late to stop them :-( The used Japanese engine installer I HAD to go to was required to adjust the valves after nnn miles. I watched him do it and he did it wrong. He probably did other stuff wrong too, and the engine lasted only maybe 15K miles before it started blowing and burning oil.

The "expert" at Chick's Sporting Goods (now defunct, probably for good reason) used the wrong screwdriver to try to remove my ski binding, partially stripping out the screw he was working on. I asked if he was using the correct (torx, I think; it's been a while since I cared) screwdriver. Fortunately Sport Chalet could solve the problem.

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The Real Bev

The Real Bev wrote, on Sun, 13 Dec 2015 08:53:11 -0800:

I can't count how many times I've seen a repair person use the wrong tool on our bolts and nuts. Most use whatever is in their pocket at that very moment, whether or not it's the right tool.

I've seen PG&E people using linesman pliers to remove slotted bolts; I've seen 'em pry open boxes using screwdrivers. It cost them time to go back to the truck to get the right tool.

I've watched my tires mounted, and, I will say that based only on my experience, 0% of tires are mounted according to the proper methods (I'm not saying tires are falling off cars - but that they don't use the proper tools or methods - all of which they *know* but they don't care to follow).

For example, almost *never* when I look at car tires in the Costco parking lot with brand new tires, is the dot in the correct place.

Pretty much, almost never is a professional job done right, least of all garage door springs. But you have to *know* what to look for before you can notice that they almost always do the job wrong.

If you want it done right, then you have to do it yourself. I doubt tire repair is any different.

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Danny D.

Some of the ski industry also uses PoziDrive. But agree someone in the business ought to know the various formats

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AMuzi

How many times have you read "don't support the calipers with the hose." Yet I've seen them do this at shop after shop.

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Ashton Crusher

I watched a 'pro' mount tube type tires on my bike without using a tube. They weren't spoked wheels so they might have held air for a while.

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rbowman

Dot? Explain...

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The Real Bev

That's it, not torx. All ski bindings use pozidrive. I wonder if that's just to keep ordinary customers from fiddling with them. When bindings get too old no official ski repair person will touch them, and lists of acceptable-for-repair bindings come out each year. No idea about snowboard bindings. I waited weeks for this guy, the "ski expert" to come back from wherever he was. When I asked him about the screwdriver he immediately knew that he'd screwed (ha!) up, so that's at least one point in his favor.

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The Real Bev

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