Re: How to wire LED wiper lights?

It's not about anything but stlying. It the spoiler were 15 times larger it might start to have an effect at 100mph. If it were angled properly.

Spoilers are the perfect complement to turtle wheels (twice as wide as tall and sticking out like the feet on a turtle) and opaque headlight and turn signal covers. For the best effect, it should be on a 4wd pickup jacked up 3' but with 10" wheels so that the ground clearence is 1/2 stock.

The best dorkage should prevent a car from being taken above 25mph without losing control. Safer in the long run.

I'm well aware that 99% of aftermarket spoilers, ground effects, etc... do nothing but look dumb. However, the phrase "It's dorkage. Like putting a spoiler on a FWD car" is technically incorrect. A FWD car that goes fast enough might require a spoiler or wing to combat lift generated by the body which could allow the rear end to lose traction. You can't tell me that the Acuras that race have wings on the back for styling - real race cars don't have wings unless they need them.

If a FWD car never benefits from a rear wing, then a RWD car should never benefit from a front spoiler.

And any car with a top speed of less than 110 mph shouldn't need ANY wings. :)

I don't think you said what you intended to say. I *like* taking my car above 25 MPH without losing control. :)

You can't tell me that Acura's are serious race cars. :-p

I guess one could say that if they are racing against Civics. Wings do not do much to hold the back down at speeds below

150 MPH. Wings on midget cars are only good to be used as a tow bar for ones skateboard buds, they sure can't go 150 MPH let alone over. LOL

mike hunt

Stephen Bigelow wrote:

That's no more an Acura than Jeff Gordon's car is a Chevrolet.

My statement stands. Note that I never said Honda *engines* weren't used in serious race cars.

How about this then?

Someone said wings were not effective at speeds below 150 mph.

I occasionally race in SCCA Formula Continental class. These are essentially Forula Fords with 2-liter engines and wings front and rear. I towed my car on an open trailer. I was alwys surprised at how much harder it was to pull an

1100-lb car, when I hardly noticed the trailer when empty. In fact, the trailer felt as heavy with the little formula car on it as it did when I towed a Pinto or other small sedan at twice the weight. I could hardly get to 70 mph, even using a van which is slightly more aerodynamic with a trailer. Then one trip I got about 5 miles from the house, on the freeway, bucking a headwind. I pulled off, removed the rear wing and tossed it into the truck. Without that wing in the airstream, it was like towing an empty trailer again. As much drag (and downforce) as it created at 70 mph, the effect at higher speeds must be considerable.

Granted, on the typical rice-rocket that airfoil is probably shrouded in the airstream and likely angled wrong, but it has an effect in all but the most unlikely orientations.

YMMV

My son bought some for his hand me down chevy truck against my objections. (Hey its his truck He's 16) He couldn't figure a clean way to wire them. He begs me to do it for him, reluctantly, I help. I put them in series. I put the neg of the first one to the pos of the second, and body grounding the neg of the second. To my dismay, they work. I hooked his to the panel dimmer switch so I can turn them off on the rare occasion that I need his,(my old) truck.

I'm gonna laugh when you get a ticket for going one mile over the limit cuz you caught a cops attention with yer led's.......

Well, it seems that the help you get depends on the particular problem you have. The professional mechanics on this group sometimes give truly excellent advice. I guess it's just your bad luck that they do not seem to know much about wiring wiper LED's :-()

|I wired them, using acouple wire taps to my headlights and grounding |them to a bolt on the body. No thanks to most people who posted a |reply. Well I just hope you all get as much help as you gave me the |next time you have a problem.

No problem, Chris :) Thanks for the entertainment.

Thanks Chris for starting one really entertaining thread!

Seriously.

I am stuck at home in pain due to a car accident, was a passenger in a passenger side T-bone hit and am messed up more than a bit and reading that thread gave me a few well needed chuckles.

Mike

86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Chris wrote:

Dude, I hope you get well soon. Thanks for the help you gave me in the past.

LOL! (I think you're the only one who "got it.")

Thanks for educating us. I didn't know that all FWD cars are slower than RWD cars, nor that the air flowing over them knows which end is being driven.

If you haven't already, that would make an excellent subject for a Physics PhD dissertation, it certainly changes the conventional understanding.

|The majority of BTCC cars (British Touring cars, if you don't follow actual |high performance cars) are FWD, for example, run at decent speeds, and use |rear spoilers. The issue is far more balance of front to rear down force |(front downforce is usually created by a splitter, air dams and front |diffusers) than anything else.

All very true. Even without a splitter most modern cars have downforce at the fron at lift at the rear at normal speeds. This imbalance grows exponentially with speed. At racing speeds the imbalance must be addressed with a rear aero device. On some cars a diffuser is all you need, if rules allow. Come to think of it, I haven't seen a diffuser used on a rice rocket. I may have to eyeball my CRX next trip out to the shop :)

Not at all. :}

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