Re: Tried and True Sludge Removal?

Jan 23, 2004 25 Replies

Like I said, no surprise. Different engines have different sensitivities.

The Subaru engines (EA82 variety) are prone to lifter clatter due to very small oil ports in the lifters (technically "lash adjusters"). Also, they have pressure relief valves - one in each head - that regulate pressure up in the valve train area. Also, keep in mind that the oil pressure at idle on those engines drops pretty close to zero at normal operating temperatures.

Within a few days of suddenly switching over to synthetic, the lifters started clattering (the oil had been changed religiously using Castrol, which I consider a quality oil). I switched back to non-synthetic and, over a period of months, I was able to get rid of the clatter by using MMO in the oil and changing the oil and filter relatively frequently. My theory is that some crud got into the lifter ports or in the pressure relief valves, and had to work its way out. This scenario, with minor variations, was repeated by several others on Subaru forums.

Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x")

If you theory about synthetic dissolving sludge is correct, wouldn't it have been better to just leave the synthetic in until the ports were cleared rather than switch back to conventional oil? I believe that MMO is as much solvent as oil, so I don't see how adding that to conventional oil is any different than using synthetic, assuming synthetic really has a solvent effect. I'm not convinced it does, but then I don't know that it doesn't either.

Matt

Matt

Mainly a problem with older aircraft engines- big radials especially. Silver bearings would be toast in a matter of HOURS with some oils. Not because of the base oil, but because of the additive package. I think it sorta soured the whole aviation community on synthetics, though. And given the fact that no one in their right mind would do "extended drain intervals" on an aircraft engine, and engine life is set not by wear but by required overhauls based on accumulated hours, synthetics really don't have an advantage.

The hope would be that the synthetic would not have had time to do a complete disolution of the sludge, and cleanout at a slower controlled rate could be achieved.

According to my theory, 1/8 to 1/4 qt. of MMO diluted with 4 to 5 quarts of conventional oil is not nearly as solvent as straight synthetic. In preparing for a switchover to synthetic, the idea is to do a gradual cleanout at a rate that the lubrication system can handle. This can be accomplished with the diluted MMO, or by doing a couple of changes with, say, 1 qt. synth to 4 qts. conventional, which is another method that many people recommend.

Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x")

All of the sludge problems I read about affected the horizontally opposed Conti's and Lyc's. I don't recall reading anything about radials.

Matt

Why stay away from Pennzoil??

The oil analyses & reports from bobistheoilguy.com forum show Pennzoil to be an excellent oil.

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