Plugs - Denso?

Awhile back I was mentioning plugs here, for the 93 Corolla wagon ( 1.8L AE102 ) and someone suggested only using Denso?

( I've used Bosch platinum and all kinds of others over the years. )

So it's time for new plugs, which is one of the few things I think I can do competently myself. :)

I was looking around online and saw Iridium plugs by denso?

What the heck are those?

Do they actually use radioactive iridium elements or something. ( please tell me it's just a fancy name and they don't really! )

But what the heck DO they use that makes them cost $10 each?!

Are they any good? Much better? Or should I just get the $1.50 plugs, like the BKR5EY-A NGK ones they list? ( are those Denso? I dunno...)

Suggestions?

Reply to
Sarah Houston
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I don't think iridium is radioactive. I would just get the standard platinum Denso or NGK plugs listed for your car. While the iridium may be a little better, they do not provide a longer life than the platinum plugs.

Reply to
Ray O

I just did some Google digging. This is interesting anyway:

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I found one page that says they're good for 60,000 miles. ?

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Oh wait, that 60,000 is apparently with double platinum.
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No matter the application or environment, DENSO offers a spark plug featuring design innovation and exceptional performance. DENSO was a pioneer in the world of spark plug design and they haven't stopped yet.

U-GROOVE?ENGINEERED FOR GREATER FUEL EFFICIENCY DENSO's patented U-Groove spark plug enables complete combustion by allowing the spark to fill the gap created by the ?U? shape. The ball of fire created in the U-Groove develops a larger and hotter flash front that virtually eliminates excessive fouling and erratic starts caused by poor fuel mixtures.

DOUBLE PLATINUM?MAXIMIZING OPERATING LIFE DENSO pioneered the use of platinum in spark plug manufacturing. To maximize the longevity and enhance the durability of the spark plug, DENSO applied platinum to both the center and ground electrodes. Platinum's superior resistance to erosion and corrosion enables DENSO to create a spark plug capable of consistent, extended operation in excess of 60,000 miles

DENSO IRIDIUM?THE ULTIMATE LONG-LIFE PLUG DENSO Iridium is fast becoming the standard for today's high-tech engines. The properties of DENSO's patented Iridium alloy have broken through the spark plug technology barrier. Employing a revolutionary 360° laser welding process, DENSO has created a spark plug unlike anything on the market today. Designed for durability under the most extreme conditions, DENSO's patented Iridium alloy is 6x harder and 8x stronger than conventional platinum and can handle temperatures in excess of 4,000° F.

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But to answer the question, no you don't NEED iridium plugs, I would highly suggest them because you can easily get 100k miles out of them, but platinum plugs only last around 60k. Shouldn't be a problem what type of plugs you get, but make sure they are the right application with the right gap spacing, last thing you wanna do is blow up the motor because you put in the wrong plugs.

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Q. Where does Iridium come from? A. Fifty million years ago, an asteroid composed almost entirely of the precious metal Iridium (Ir-77) struck the earth, creating the Gulf of Mexico. The resulting dust cloud destroyed most living things and ended the dinosaurs reign on earth. Click here for more information.

Q. Why was Iridium not used until today? A. The extreme strength of the metal inhibited its large-scale usage in spark plugs. However, through recent technological advances, DENSO has harnessed the power of Iridium. DENSO?s patented alloy is composed of iridium, complimented by rhodium (an even stronger metal). The rhodium is added to increase oxidation and wear resistance. DENSO was able to make this durable alloy workable by pioneering and patenting a Laser- Welding/process. This process provides a 360-degree weld so reliable that the electrode resists wear, even in the harshest conditions.

Q. What makes Iridium better? A. Until recently, platinum was considered the best material to use on the top of an electrode because of its durability. However, Iridium is 6 times harder, 8 times stronger, and has a melting point 1200 degrees higher than platinum. Put that into a harsh environment such as an engine piston chamber, and you have a spark plug that can resist wear much better than platinum. Additionally, the DENSO Iridium Power alloy is so durable; it allowed our engineers to produce the world?s smallest center electrode (.4mm) which reduces the voltage requirements, concentrating its sparking power. Also, its smaller size, combined with the tapered U-Groove ground electrode, allows more room for the flame kernel to develop and produce a more efficient combustion.

Q. How long will Iridium Last? A. Iridium use represents the most significant technological advance in automotive spark plug manufacturing, since platinum was introduced in the early eighties. As vehicle manufacturers produce increasingly complex and efficient automobiles, there is a greater need for long-life plugs that can tolerate leaner fuel mixtures and improved combustion processes. DENSO has responded to this need by developing its Iridium alloy, originally for OE applications. For example, many newer Lexus? and Toyota models carry an ultra long-life Iridium plug variation (.7mm with platinum tipped ground) that is capable of up to 120,000 miles of service. DENSO Iridium Power plugs, with their .4mm center electrode, have been developed for performance applications. Because gradual wear will ?round-off? firing points over time, the concentrated firing power and voltage requirement benefits will be reduced. For this reason, DENSO advises replacement after 30,000 miles.

Q. Why is the U-Groove special? A. The patented U-Groove allows the flame kernel to fill the gap formed by the U. This ball of fire develops a larger and hotter flash front a complete combustion. The flat ground electrode design of ordinary spark plugs crush the spark, inhibiting its growth; this effect is known as a ?quenching effect.? The simple, but efficient, U-Groove feature results in better fuel efficiency, improved throttle response, and greater firing energy.

Q. Why are there different heat ranges? Which one should I use? A. Part of your spark plug?s responsibilities, in addition to firing a spark, is to remove heat from the combustion chamber. This is accomplished by channeling the heat through the insulator material and metal housing. From there, the heat is transferred to the cylinder head where the engine cooling system can go to work. A spark plug?s heat range is its ability to dissipate heat. The ?colder? the plug, the more heat it can channel out of the combustion chamber. In a performance application, colder heat ranges may be necessary to handle the extreme temperatures brought on by higher compression ratios, forced induction, and high RPM?s. While ?Colder? plugs may seem to be the way to go, please remember that the spark plug must achieve its ?self-cleaning? temperature where it can burn off fuel and carbon deposits. Otherwise, the plug could ?foul out? where it is prone to misfiring and poor acceleration. A plug that is too ?hot? can overheat, also causing power loss, detonation, pre-ignition, and possible engine damage. A good, general rule of thumb is to start with the factory recommended heat range. For every 75 to 100 hp you add to your engine, you may go to the next colder step. DENSO heat ranges move up as they get colder; 16 would be our hottest Iridium Power plug, 34 would be our coldest (ranges;

16,20,22,24,27,31,34)

Q. What torque recommendations do you give for the Iridium plugs? A. Improper installation may cause poor performance and could result in costly engine damage. Click here for a table listing torque recommendations for the DENSO Iridium Power spark plugs.

Q. Do I need to set the gap? A. Generally, no. The DENSO Iridium Power plug comes pre-set with a protective sleeve over the firing end, to protect the gap from accidental alteration. DENSO Iridium Power?s ultra-efficient firing power compensates for normally recommended gap settings that are smaller than the pre-set value. In the cases of vehicle modifications (nitrous, turbo-chargers, super-chargers, high power ignition systems, etc.), some adjustments may be desired. Or, if you prefer to remain consistent with factory specifications, you may adjust. However, please be careful not to place any stress on the fine center electrode during adjustment. You could accidentally break off the very hard, and therefore brittle, tip.

Q. What vehicle applications are covered? A. DENSO Iridium Power spark plugs were initially introduced for popular import applications such as Toyota, Honda, Acura, Mitsubishi, and others. However, since our product launch, we have added spark plugs that fit popular ?Big Three? makes such as General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler. Currently, DENSO Iridium Power offers nearly full coverage for all passenger cars, light trucks, and vans. Soon, we will be launching plugs that will fit most motorcycle and powersports applications.

Q. What kind of performance will I get from this plug? A. Generally, you do not purchase spark plugs for performance enhancement. While DENSO Iridium Power spark plugs have contributed to numerous accomplishments through dyno-testing and actual use, their true benefit lies in their efficiency, durability, and improved firing power. Serious tuners modify their vehicles by increasing boost through turbo- chargers, super-chargers, and Nitrous. They are also known to add high- energy ignition systems, tinker with timing, adjust fuel mixture ratios, and increase horsepower through other means. Putting these kinds of demands on their engine increases the need for an efficient, durable spark plug that can handle these kind of harsh environments. That?s where DENSO Iridium Power can make a major difference.

Q. Where can I buy DENSO Iridium Power Spark Plugs? A. Click here to find a dealer in your area.

Q. What kind of testing has been done? A. Iridium Power has been tested in many arenas. The most common area of testing has been on the track. There are currently many people using the plugs in import drag racing, with results being quite favorable. Some racers have seen E.T.?s decrease by a tenth and less fuel consumption during a pass. Circle track racers using the plugs notice better acceleration coming out of corners and more consistent idling. The other area where the plugs have been tested are on good old dynos. The results have indicated horsepower increases over stock plugs of 2-3 Hp in a naturally aspirated engine and 27 Hp in a supercharged/turbocharged engine as seen in the January 2003 issue of 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords magazine*.

*Copies of 5.0 magazine article and/or various applicable dynographs are available from DENSO upon request.

Q. I?m still not sure about DENSO Iridium Power Spark Plugs. I would like to ask a question. Who can I talk to? A. Click to Contact Us. Or, you can call our technical department or send your question via our contact form. We will respond to your question shortly.

Q. How do I gap Iridium plugs A. Before attempting to gap any DENSO Iridium Power spark plug, please review the specification chart to see the factory-preset gap. In most cases your Iridium Power plugs do not need to be gapped. Even with small variations in the factory set gap the ultra-efficient firing power design will compensate for those small variations. Should you decide to re-gap your Iridium Power plug, use extreme caution as improper gapping may damage or destroy the Iridium center electrode or porcelain center. To increase the gap size: Step 1 Use needle nose pliers or spark plug gapping tool to bend the ground strap up to the desired height. DO NOT LET THE PLIERS OR GAPPING TOOL TOUCH THE IRIDIUM CENTER ELECTRODE OR PORCELAIN. Step 2 Re-check the gap with a calibrated gapping tool. To decrease the gap size: Step 1 Use the same method as above, however bend the ground strap down to the desired height. DO NOT LET THE PLIERS OR GAPPING TOOL TOUCH THE IRIDIUM CENTER ELECTRODE OR PORCELAIN. Step 2 Re- check the gap with a calibrated gapping tool. WARNING: Failure to follow these directions may permanently damage the spark plug. Note: Never use a round gapping tool to check the gap or to increase or decrease the gap setting.

Reply to
Sarah Houston

Just use the standard NGK or NipponDenso Platinums. Someone even put NGK U-Groove (copper) in my Supra, but they need to be changed more often.

Reply to
Hachiroku

Iridium is supposed to last even longer than even platinum. I have no experience with them, but I'd be surprised if a Denso plug didn't work well in a Toyota since Toyota owns a large minority stake in Nippon Denso and even helped it get off the ground. Iridium plugs aren't radioactive, but many decades ago, a small company marketed plugs that were claimed to be radioactive.

I use the cheaper plugs when the engine offers easy plug access.

Reply to
rantonrave

If you think you've got more than a hundred thousand miles left of life in your engine, go for the iridium plugs. If not, the platinums will work just fine.

Reply to
user

Some people don't like Bosch plugs, but some owners here reported good results. Dunno about Bosch since I use exclusively NGK Iridiums for years now.

Iridium plugs (~$7) are really great. The ones with platinum plated ground electrodes (~$9) last even longer (120K miles) spec by Toyota in non-waste-spark systems. Waste spark systems divide by 2. I personally prefer NGK spark plugs and plug wires over Densos. IMO NGKs are better parts than the Densos, but both are spec'ed by Toyota.

Autolite now has the XP Iridium plugs with platinum ground pads on sale at West coast Kragen/Schucks for $4.99 after rebate. They carry 5- year unlimited miles warranty. So why not give them a try?

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Reply to
johngdole

I don't know how long I'll even have this car. It's got 159,000 Mi on it now.

And $14 a plug?! sheesh.

It was people in this group, awhile back, who told me to only use Denso in my Toyota.

I'm trying to follow the advice of those who probably know more than me. :)

Yes, I've since read Denso's interesting page about Iridium. Learn something new every day. :)

Nothing is easier than this one, they're right on top when I open the hood. :) Thanks Toyota!

But, to those of you out there who really know about Toyotas, was that advice right? Is it really best to use only Denso?

Reply to
Sarah Houston

Finding them locally is apparently the hard part with the double platinum Denso PK16R8's.

They look like nice plugs online, but I don't want to pay $7 each and then have to pay $12 shipping on 4 of them too.

Reply to
Sarah Houston

There are other brand spark plugs that will work fine, however, some will cause drivability problems or have a shorter life, even when your engine is listed as an application. For example, I've seen Bosch plugs that work perfectly fine in some Toyotas and cause problems in others. If you are willing to experiment and gamble a little, then you can try other brands.

The other original equipment supplier of spark plugs for Toyota besides Denso is NGK, and I have not seen them cause any problems in Toyotas.

If you are going to change the spark plugs yourself, pull the spark plug wires by the boot and not by the wire to avoid damaging the wires. A little dab of anti-seize will prevent the spark plug from sticking in the head. For a sure-fire way of starting the spark plugs without cross-threading, get about a foot of rubber vacuum tubing from your local parts store and push the top of the spark plug into the vacuum hose. Use the hose to lower the spark plug down the spark plug tube and twist the hose to start the spark plug in the threaded hole.

Reply to
Ray O

Sarah, When I changed my plugs I used the iridiums and have had no problems after about 40K miles on a Sienna that has 190 K on it now. Two things that I will add to Ray: 1) the anti-sieze goes on the plug threads of the new plugs so you can get them out later and don't get any on the parts that are not threads; 2) the trick I used to avoid cross-threading was to turn the plug backwards until I felt the thread skip - where the thread end jumps down at the end of the thread to the next lower thread - then spun it on the right way. using a flexible hose to grip the plug end is indeed a good move. Tomes

Reply to
Tomes

It's not better to use other brands, and it's certainly not worse to use NGK.

Iridiums are $7.32 at AutoPartsGiant.com.

Reply to
beerspill

My spark plug socket wrench has some kind of rubber insert that grips the plug. It always works fine, but thanks.

Reply to
Sarah Houston

Yes, I've known about that for many years, being I worked as an electronics tech years ago. :)

Reply to
Sarah Houston

Where do you get them for that?

The ones I've seen were all over $10.

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I see.

Got my interest. :)

Reply to
Sarah Houston

Yup! This is the way to do it!

The thread skipping part is particularly useful on the 1800 Subaru, since the holes are at a crazy angle.

Reply to
Hachiroku

Yeah, me too. What was your field?

Mine was aircraft electronics and EMUs (er, Space Suits! ;)

Reply to
Hachiroku

I don't remember if I got Iridium or the Platinum in my car but I do remember them telling me they were rated for around 100,000 miles. They were pretty spendy -- I think around $10/plug. So far, no issues in the 40,000 I have put on them.

Reply to
mrsteveo

That works, just remember that the metal on the spark plugs is a lot harder than the aluminum head!

Reply to
Ray O

"Ray O" ...

That is what I used when I changed my plugs on my Sienna. Yep, that works. Tomes

Reply to
Tomes

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