Re: Foreign cars pass Big 3. but not on a steep grade

I see big fat people buying M&Ms and ice cream in the grocery store. What they need is to NOT buy them.

Likewise, I see two driver households with 4 cars and trucks outside. I doubt they really need all those cars and trucks. They take the train to work.

Jeff

Not Mike. He drives two cars *everywhere* even if he needs to do it personal!

Actually I fly more than I drive. ;)

mike

So, are you going to get the new Honda? I am sure it will fly well. The down side is it does not have a potty.

Jeff

With $3 Gas, Detroit Pays for Its Past

I wouldn't register on the traitorous New York Times site for any article.

Post the article or go home...

In the article, we read:

"To follow suit, the solution for Detroit's automakers may be simple: cut back on S.U.V.'s and pickups and put their resources into developing the cars that American drivers increasingly want."

Me think that the last word of that sentence should be NEED instead of WANT. LOL

I won't post copyrighted material in violation of the copyright law.

Jeff

Then go home would be my advice....

It's ok for the traitorous New York Times to publish national secrets, but you are so high and mighty you don't want to copy their crap to a NG?

Jeez....

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I don't have the right to copy the article. If I were high and mighty, I would be allowed to copy the story. But I am not. I am just an ordinary guy.

Jeff

PS, The NYT did the right thing when it published the material.

How many American's died and will die because of the traitorous New York Times.

I hope you or your loved ones are NOT the ones to get your heads cut off because of traitors like the New York Times....

Toyota deserves its reputation for fuel efficient vehicles, and that reputation is probably why it's clobbering everyone else. Some folks claim in GM's defense that it has N cars that do 30mpg, but that probably demostrates its badge proliferation more than anything else. What happens when we crank the cutoff to 35mpg?

Number of GM vehicles doing 35mpg or better: 0 Number of DaimlerChrysler vehicles doing 35mpg or better: 0 Number of Fords doing 35mpg or better: 1 (Escape Hybrid)

Number of Toyotas doing 35mpg or better: 6 (Yaris, Corolla, Prius, Camry Hybrid, Scion xA, Scion xB)

(I may have missed 1 or 2, but you get the idea)

Chris

Zero. That's 2569 fewer than caused by Fox News.

Oh?

How do you know?

Liberals are all alike.

Not to be trusted with the security of the US or anywhere else for that matter.

To each his own Chris, but I can only tell you that mileage is not my number one qualifier in car purchase decisions. It's probably down around my third or fourth. That said - I assume the ability to deliver around 30 on the highway as a baseline. Factors more important to me and which I do not think that some of these Toyotas are capable of delivering (Prius, Yaris, Corolla) is the overall safety of the car. These little runabouts may appeal to short trip, urban street, or grocery getter crowd, but I sure would not bet on the ability of these cars to come out on the better end of a collision in the types of driving conditions outside of your typical 30mph residential speed zones. As well, I don't see them as comfortable at all for any trip longer than your average work commute. To own one of these would require owning a second car just for the purpose of accommodating normal driving requirements. Hardly worth the few extra miles per gallon they deliver.

It's either a troll, or a ultra-conservative, close-minded, self-righteous opinionaited "bush is always right" hate-monger who seems to blame a newspaper for all the ills (while probably listening to Rush (get another hit) Limbaugh on a daily basis.

Either way, I'm thankful for the ability to "killfile" a moron like this who does nothing but disparage others and uses this newsgroup as his own personal soapbox against the NYT... without substantiating anything, we might note.

JP

How do either of you know? Neither of you have proved your claims.

Both of you are also forgetting that the Times was very pro-Bush on war policy until well after Iraq was invaded, as exemplified by Judith Miller.

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That's fine. It's not my top priority either. In fact, I don't own any of the Toyotas I named. It is a big deal for many people, however. I just wanted to point out that the domestic makes seem utterly uncompetitive on this important criteria, alienating a major market segment. I think it's remarkable that even the subcompact and compact cars from *all* the domestic makes are such underperformers in the MPG department.

Chris