Camry labelled "boring" ?

Thanks Phillip,

my reply would have been much ruder.

Mitch

does

This is where I dont understand. As the clutch plate wears, the pressure plate diaphram unloads more of its tension and 'spring-length' gets longer (think the old PPs with coil-springs). This also causes the release-fingers to move outwards towards the release bearing. This means free-play or gap between the release bearing face and diaphram fingers gets smaller? Or is it the case this freeplay only decreases a minor amount of no significance.?

When the clutch

Yeah,...the engagement point pedal-wise does gets higher also (mine's quite high atmo). I think what I used to do years ago with clutch-cable systems was use 'slack-takeup' as an artificial way of lowering the engagement point of the pedal.

Jason

But free play at the top of

Hey ... feel free to pickup where I left off! I like entertainment!

These activist sites are never the best source of unequivcal data. That should be obvious.

You want to see the difference, take two cars with the same engine, different transmissions, and dyno them, see how much difference there is on the wheels. Go through machinging handbooks, work out the efficiencies of the various gears listed. It'll show you that figure.

they also outlawed turbochargers, superchargers, and many other things. They outlawed a car with 6 wheels. Many of the automatics tried were CVT type automatics, not the planetary gearbox type you're talking about. Many also had problems with creeping at starts. All told there was many reasons for the banning on fully automatic gearboxes. A lot of these rules are made for safety reasosn, so MAYBE it was for safety reasosn that automatic transmissions were banned. that,and to promote semi-automatics, since its hard to fit a real manual shift ssytem inside an F1 car.

completely different. I've had a lot of problems with power windows. I've hand-cranked, push-started and even roll-started a car in reverese. I'd have been screwed with an automatic.

Sounds more like you have a problem with batteries and charging systems. LOL

Philip wrote: || Libe|ralsarelairs| !|" ||||| wrote: |||||| Jason James wrote: |||||||| Seems that because a lot of conservative types (read older |||||||| folks who like to car-pool to go lawn-bowling) have picked the |||||||| Camry in years gone-by and dont look like switching, has |||||||| caused the Camry to be somehow tainted as an uninspiring |||||||| vehicle. |||||||| |||||||| Personally I couldn't care-less but, I think on a technical |||||||| level this is bullshit. The only thing on the car which can be |||||||| likened to being functional only with no regard to 'feel' is |||||||| the clutch. It is too long a throw, and tooo indistinct, |||||||| making well-matched rev-changes difficult,....or is it just my |||||||| car? |||||||| |||||||| Jason ('96 manual) |||||| |||||| This is bloody 2005. No need for Stone Age standard |||||| transmissions. Get an AT, already. |||||| |||||| ||||| Nothing stone age about a manual transmission, especially if you ||||| like efficiency and you know how to shift. ||||| ||||| Mitch ||| ||| I have better things to do with my hands than shifting. || || Coffee, cell phone, flipping off another driver, swatting the kids, || rolling down a window, scratching ones crotch, operating the radio / || stereo, etc etc. LOL || -- || || - Philip

For starters, eh?

Mitch wrote: || Philip wrote: ||| Libe|ralsarelairs| !|" |||||| wrote: |||||| ||||||| Jason James wrote: ||||||| ||||||||| Seems that because a lot of conservative types (read older ||||||||| folks who like to car-pool to go lawn-bowling) have picked ||||||||| the Camry in years gone-by and dont look like switching, has ||||||||| caused the Camry to be somehow tainted as an uninspiring ||||||||| vehicle. ||||||||| ||||||||| Personally I couldn't care-less but, I think on a technical ||||||||| level this is bullshit. The only thing on the car which can ||||||||| be likened to being functional only with no regard to 'feel' ||||||||| is the clutch. It is too long a throw, and tooo indistinct, ||||||||| making well-matched rev-changes difficult,....or is it just ||||||||| my car? ||||||||| ||||||||| Jason ('96 manual) ||||||| ||||||| This is bloody 2005. No need for Stone Age standard ||||||| transmissions. Get an AT, already. ||||||| ||||||| |||||| |||||| Nothing stone age about a manual transmission, especially if you |||||| like efficiency and you know how to shift. |||||| |||||| Mitch |||| |||| I have better things to do with my hands than shifting. ||| ||| ||| Coffee, cell phone, flipping off another driver, swatting the kids, ||| rolling down a window, scratching ones crotch, operating the radio ||| / stereo, etc etc. LOL || || Thanks Phillip, || || my reply would have been much ruder. || || Mitch

Frankly, almost ALL of those activities make more sense than wasting time with Stone Age manual shifting.

K`Tetch wrote: || On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:20:02 GMT, "Philip" || wrote: || ||| K`Tetch wrote: |||| On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:40:56 GMT, "Libe|ralsarelairs|" ||||

K`Tetch wrote: || On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:49:55 GMT, "Travis Jordan" || wrote: || ||| K`Tetch wrote: |||| Efficiency is a big drawback for automatics of the standard type |||| (typically wasting 10-15% of theine power) its not alone in being a |||| major drawback. ||| ||| Where did you get those numbers? My information is that the ||| difference is more like 5% nowadays. |||

|| || These activist sites are never the best source of unequivcal data. || That should be obvious. || || You want to see the difference, take two cars with the same engine, || different transmissions, and dyno them, see how much difference there || is on the wheels. Go through machinging handbooks, work out the || efficiencies of the various gears listed. It'll show you that figure. || ||| |||| How many racecars use automatic gearboxes? erm, none. Why? again, |||| SAFETY and CONTROL. They don't want cars changing gears on a road |||| which the car can't see (remember a gearchange takes place whent he |||| car is moving, typically 1-3 seconds, and at higher speeds, thats a |||| lot of ground covered. ||| ||| There have been a number of races won by vehicles with partially or ||| completely automatic transmissions, starting with Jim Hall's ||| Chapparal win at Sebring in 1965 (I should know, I was there). The ||| reason that most race cars use totally manual transmissions is to ||| make the driver's shifting ability an important part of the ||| competition. In fact, Forumula One rules now OUTLAW totally ||| automatic transmissions. Guess why? || || they also outlawed turbochargers, superchargers, and many other || things. They outlawed a car with 6 wheels. Many of the automatics || tried were CVT type automatics, not the planetary gearbox type you're || talking about. Many also had problems with creeping at starts. All || told there was many reasons for the banning on fully automatic || gearboxes. A lot of these rules are made for safety reasosn, so MAYBE || it was for safety reasosn that automatic transmissions were banned. || that,and to promote semi-automatics, since its hard to fit a real || manual shift ssytem inside an F1 car. || ||| ||| The rationales for installation of manual tranmissions nowadays are ||| lower price, followed by driver preference. Eventually, these will ||| both go the way of hand-cranked starters and manual windows. || || completely different. I've had a lot of problems with power windows. || I've hand-cranked, push-started and even roll-started a car in || reverese. I'd have been screwed with an automatic.

You are an asshole with an attitude...a real s***ty attitude.

My wife's '93 Camry, bought new, is "boring". Aside from brakes, hoses, belts, tires, battery, and other regular maintenance items, the car has needed repair parts consisting of two radio knobs and a wiper arm for a total of about $40. Boring? May it continue to be so.

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There are some occasions where a starter won't work, but then, being so well experianced as your obviously areyou'd already know that.

Starters fail much less often than batteries. You should know about very cold temperatures and batteries, right?

Oh yes, which is why if i go anywhere where the average temperature is below -10C, i use a custoim=-made battery, with thermal-pack wrap. press the button, wait 3 mins, and the battery is lovely and tastyPlus a decent battery as a backup, kept in the truck, which will crank a v8 even at -40 Just whip off the terminal caps, slap on the boosters, and its ready to go. But, starters and batteries don't work, when you've got a V6 with 2 dead cylinders. They won't spin it fast enough, for long enough, to geet it cranked. THAT is when you need a manual transmission, to get it started.BEsidse which, you'd kill the cat by using a starter, until the engine got running, and the fuel management system shut off to the two dead cylinders. Besides, you need all the battery amps, powering the backup suspension pump... Then again, we're into the real of the custom high-performance cars, not camrys and their lousy autoboxes. (the gearbox in an old 87 caravan is better than the one in an 05 camry)

So now we get to the nubb of it. A V6 with two dead cylinders. A beater car.

The catalyst is probably already junk.

YOU are in a "real world" of your own creation. High performance V6's with two dead cylinders. Yah... ohkay. I'll call the paddy wagon. Where are you now?

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