Roof fabric on 2000 Camry delaminating by rear window

Is this a non-convertible?

Is the edge already open or is in the middle of the healdliner?

If the middle, I read a suggestion once for headliner in general to use soemthing that will go through a syringe and put the needle through the headliner and squeeze out a drop of glue. What glue will do this I'm not sure.

If the edge has opened, and it won't have to bend, I think just about anything will work, but let me know if that is it and I'll tell you about my favorite glues.

It's opening up at the edges as it meets the rear window rather than the middle.

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Jan Alter
bearpuf@verizon.net

I don't think I've ever used this IIRC it's a spray. Yes it is a spray. I wouldn't use a spray inside the car, even with a dust mask, and probably not even with a vapor mask, or whatever they are called. For one thing, it can leak around the circumference I would think. I don't want to inhale glue**. Plus it would go places you don't want it, like the window and the top of the other headlining. .

**You only get one set of lungs. I'm 65 now and the noise in my right ear got worse about 3 years ago. I've had it since I was 10 or 20, I thought, but it was very small. Thinking about how I got it, I do remember a summer job I had for 3 weeks or so when I was 21 where I was in a steel cylinder topped by a steel dome, about 40 feet across, where every 20 minutes a guy with a jack hammer would start tearing apart a new layer of bricks, the next layer down from the one we'd just disassembled and thrown down the hole. I think it took him 5 or 10 seconds to do this, each time.

The company that contracted with the steel company gave us all dust masks, and gave most of us safety harnesses for around our waist and crotch, which attached to a steel safety cable that was attached at the top, so we wouldn't fall down the hole. I'm trying to remember if they gave us ear plugs, and I don't think so and I'm sure I didn't think of it either. At the time it didn't bother me, and I never attributed the permanent noise in my ear to this job. For the last

20 years, I've said it started when I was 10 or 20, but maybe it started when I was 21. The job paid great compared to my job earlier that summer, but it certainly wasn't worth it if it caused this noise. I can't think of anything when I was 10 to 20 that might have caused the noise.

If I'd known I would get this noise at 62, I wouldn't have stayed at that first job, just to be careful.

How porous is your headliner? If a thick liquid glue was applied to one part but not every part, would it show up as a flat spot where the glue was but a puffy or not so flat part where the glue wasn't?

I think a lot of people would use contact cement here, but two problems, 1) have to be careful it doesn't drip off and get on other things, 2) might be like the previous paragraph.

If you do use contact cement, I haven't bought any for 10 years. It used to be that Weldwood, I think it was, made two kinds, both in tubes. The red tube was good stuff but the white tube had a stronger smell and didn't work well. I don't think it was old.

Contact cement is especially good for cloth or anything that might be bend and folded, but though this is cloth, it probably doesn't bend at all.

My other favorite glues are Ambroid Cement, which dries fast but might also dribble. It's only available at hobby stores, afaik. It never dries (I had one big tube for 25 years) out so you can buy the bigger tube.

When I asked about sticking my rear window curtain to my rear window, in rec.autos.tec ** I got an answer that might be very good for you. The only problem is that the stuff is expensive, but you might have other uses for what you don't use.

**Which would be a good place for this question, since there's nothing specifically Toyota one has to know.

He said

He was right. For a convertible window, no glue is strong enough and nothing else would have worked.

VHB stands for Very High Bonding, and it does that. I think it's the same stuff that sometimes comes in a magazine or the mail, between the paper and some free thing, but maybe not. . I used it for the top of my rear window and it's done a great job. (Would have done a better job if the Solar window didn't frequently catch on something on the way down.) It has some thickness to it. oh yeah, different thicknesses, 15 to 40 mil, , and if so I'd get the thinnest unless you have a use for thicker stuff elsewhere. You have to decide if 15 mils is so thick it will look bad with the rest of it. ,

I bought it here:

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Well, they have a roll for only $21, and another for 11. I didn't get the first because I didn't' think it was wide and strong enough for my glass window, but it is for your situation

Even $7 for Item # 15C882

Hmm. I guess they do ship, and I can't imagine they want proof your a business. But I know they gave me a hard time at the store years ago. Maybe that was before the web.

Another thing you could do is only use a few small pieces. that might not be noticeable.

Don't get your fingers on it and do it right the first time because you can't move it,and it's hard to remove. .

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Thanks for the information. I'll keep it in the portfolio here. I may actually go to the dealer and ask what they use. Our Camry can't be the olny one this delamination is happening. Sorry about the noise you've had in your ear. I've got a case of tinitus myself for the past 3 years. I keep wondering if it's the result of me riding motorcycles for about 15 years in my youth.

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Jan Alter
bearpuf@verizon.net

Good idea.

Well, I had my hearing tested 2 weeks ago for the first time in 55 years, and asked the doctor (an ENT, not a "doctor" of audiology) about the loud outdoor band my brother took me to for about 5 minutes

2 to 5 months before the noise got louder, and he seemed to think it would have shown up earlier than 2 months. 15 years is a lot longer than that.

Jan Alter brought next idea :

Spray is not going to work on a small area; too hard to control. Depending on the fabric, something you can test, a hot glue gun may work. But the easiest is a two part medium set epoxy injector. The injector type has a nozzle that mixes the epoxy as you extrude it and the nozzle can go under the fabric. Squeeze a little in the use your gloved finger to smooth out. Don't use so much that it oozes out and makes a mess. A little goes a long way. Same procedure to inject and smooth for the hot glue gun, just be quicker.

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Thanks. I'm still considering all suggestions.

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Jan Alter
bearpuf@verizon.net