240 Question

So, do you own a 240? what year, model, mileage? (just curious)

BTW Rob, the current Mustang is not based on a 25 year old frame. It is a uni-body car, the original "Pony" car was way different then (Mustang II), the new cars are completely different, especially the latest ('99-up) the 5.0 isn't the V-8 anymore, and it has IRS just like your 960 ;) (which I wish my 760 had, the '88s did). The popular 1984 Mustang was a derivative of the late 70s Stang, which somewhat carried over into the early 90s, that is where the story ended for that platform.

Also Butler, Ford also made the F-150 in 1993 available with a vinyl floor for a "hose down" interior, this was and still is the MOST popular pickup truck ever made. Yes, they still make it, and NO they don't make it with a "hose down" interior. Which means they've basically eliminated all construction site purposes out of this truck, the market said "we want a better truck that is quiet, leather interior, and updated",...... so Ford built it.

I think the general consensus is that we don't get your point.

BTW: I didn't base my value on what 245s are worth on my own merit, I live and breathe cars, so I know a think or 1000 things about them.... Racing cars just brings that out of me.

You can also check Ebay auctions:

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$2600 No reserve. 1991 leather, driverairbag, loaded

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$5500 No reserve 1990 DL cloth auto 60Kmiles

all 240s currently availble for auction:

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Anyone who'd pay $11k USD for a 1993 240 is a die hard fanatic.

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Myron Samila
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Did you, "dude"? I hope you can tell your Volvo models apart better than you can the sexes.

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PButler111

Sounds good to me, problem is newer cars are all about planned obsolescence. Make 'em cheap and hard to work on. Rear wheel drive cars last too long for the manufacture's satisfaction, too easy and cheap too fix, and cost more to make. The manufacture loves a car with a short life span, they get to sell more.

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Marshall Earp

You're a little cranky aren't you? :)

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Marshall Earp

I don't know any 240 fans who like them or bought them because of the price. A friend of mine recently employed a professional search firm to locate his "new"

1992 240 wagon. I believe he ended up paying around $12,000. Hardly a bargain, but worth it to get what you want. The same would be true of a new 240. It doesn't have to rival a Kia. People pay for what they want.
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PButler111

No kidding. If I have to be in a collision, I'd hope to be in my 1989 240 and not my friend's 2004 Rav 4.

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PButler111

You should have just said you were a moron at the outset and saved me a lot of time and trouble trying to respond to you as though you were intelligent.

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PButler111

Are there a lot of '75 LTDs in your area? lol ;)

The Volvo S40 and Ford Focus are both small cars that fair well in a crash, it is all in the design.

And if a Hummer H2 T-bones a 240? who wins? There are thousands of H2/Yukons/Expeditions/Navigators here in Toronto. SUV T-boning a SUV scares me more than a '75 LTD T-boning one of my little Fiat X1/9s.

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Myron Samila

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Rav 4.
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Rav 4 side.
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Volvo 850
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Volvo240 1990-93

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Myron Samila

Total load of crap. If you look at the actual safety data most of the safest vehicles (top 10) are about 3000#, have been for decades. Bigger does not equal safer, good design design equals safer. CAFE has squat to do with it.

Bill

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Bill Bradley

Shoot, I could have saved him $8,000 with this link:

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Yeah, it's called a V70. They sell quite a few of them..

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The V70 outselling the S60 (which was already available in mid 2000) in 2000 and almost in

2001).

They dropped the 240, for basically the same reason they dropped the 940/960 S90, LACK OF SALES! (32 units sold in 1999!!)

1998- total units manufactured

Volvo S90/V90 - (29,950),

Volvo 940 - (39,350),

Volvo S80 - 32,800

Volvo S70/V70/C70 - 206,900

Volvo S40/V40 - 151,000

Reply to
Myron Samila

It's as close to new 2-series Volvos as you're likely to get!

Reply to
athol

Look at the real world data. Some small cars are safer than some large cars. That was not true years ago. Here are the facts:

The average death rate in all passenger vehicles during 1995-98 is 89 per million registered vehicle years, but the rate for some models is two or three times as high. The lowest death rate was reported in the Toyota Camry and the Volvo 850.

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Stephen M. Henning

I do. Actually, more 2-series fans, who bought 264s and 265s to put V8s into. That way, got get a good, well equipped car that isn't a slug...

Best of all, a good V8 conversion gets about the same economy as a V6 Volvo. :-)

I hope you're kidding...

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athol

No, you are missing my point, the new car is dangerous. Take out the 75 LTD and put in another 95 Metro. The occupants in both cars then die. It's a matter of physics, the mass of any vehicle and velocity colliding with another mass. You have a mess no matter what. Obviously you would be better protected in a larger car. Fairing well in a simulated and/or controlled low-speed crash really doesn't mean anything. Very few drive slow on the highway and no highway accident is controlled. The popularity of SUV's is an example of people actually using their smarts and putting their family in a safer vehicle. People in little cars can spout off all they want about the coins they save at the pump, but that money will never pay off the loss of a loved one. I have a Volvo 760 and 245, those are the only small cars I will drive due to the fact they are solidly built.

scares me more than

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Marshall Earp

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Marshall Earp

Headline: Death by the Gallon Byline: James R. Healey Dateline: July 2, 1999

"In the 24 years since a landmark law to conserve fuel, big cars have shrunk to less-safe sizes and small cars have poured onto roads. As a result, 46,000 people have died in crashes they would have survived in bigger, heavier cars, according to USA Today analysis of crash data since 1975, when the Energy Policy and Conservation Act was passed.

"The law and the corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) standards it imposed have improved fuel efficiency. The average of passenger vehicles on U.S. roads is 20 miles per gallon vs. 14 mpg in 1975. But the cost has been roughly 7,700 deaths for every mile per gallon gained, the analysis shows."

"We have a small-car problem. If you want to solve the safety puzzle, get rid of small cars," says Brian O'Neill, president of the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. The institute, supported by auto insurers, crash-tests more vehicles, more violently, than all but the federal government. Little cars have big disadvantages in crashes. They have less space to absorb crash forces. The less the car absorbs, the more the people inside have to."

"Tellingly, most small-car crash deaths involve only small cars - 56% in 1997, from the latest government data. They run into something else, such as a tree, or into one another.

"In contrast, just 1% of small-car deaths - 136 people - occurred in crashes with midsize or big sport-utility vehicles in '97, according to statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the agency that enforces safety and fuel-efficiency rules. NHTSA does not routinely publish that information. It performed special data calculations at USA Today's request.

"Champions of small cars like to point out that even when the SUV threat is unmasked, other big trucks remain a nemesis. NHTSA data shows, however, that while crashes with pickups, vans and commercial trucks accounted for 28% of small-car deaths in '97, such crashes also accounted for 36% of large-car deaths.

"Others argue that small cars attract young, inexperienced drivers. There's some truth there, but not enough to explain small cars' out- of-proportion deaths. About 36% of small-car drivers involved in fatal crashes in 1997 were younger than 25; and 25% of the drivers of all vehicles involved in fatal wrecks were that age, according to NHTSA data."

"Questionable results. CAFE and its small cars have not reduced overall U.S. gasoline and diesel fuel consumption as hoped. A strong economy and growing population have increased consumption. The U.S. imports more oil now than when the standards were imposed."

"Although federal anti-pollution regulations require that big cars emit no more pollution per mile than small cars, environmental activists seize on this: Small engines typical of small cars burn less fuel, so they emit less carbon dioxide.

"Carbon dioxide, or CO2, is a naturally occurring gas that's not considered a pollutant by the Environmental Protection Agency, which regulates auto pollution. But those worried about global warming say CO{-2} is a culprit and should be regulated via tougher CAFE rules."

"Car-buying expert Bragg - author of Car Buyer's and Leaser's Negotiating Bible - says few customers even ask about small cars. Small-car sales are half what they were in their mid-'80s heyday. Just 7% of new-vehicle shoppers say they'll consider a small car, according to a 1999 study by California-based auto industry consultant AutoPacific.

"That would cut small-car sales in half. Those who have small cars want out: 82% won't buy another. To Bragg, the reasons are obvious: "People need a back seat that holds more than a six-pack and a pizza. And, there's the safety issue."

Reply to
Marshall Earp

I would think that would've been clear by now. 1989 240 wagon, 137,100 miles. It replaced my 1986 240 wagon which replaced my 1983 240 wagon, neither of which was even remotely near "used up" when I let them go.

Didn't read the rest of your post. Sure it was thrilling, though.

Reply to
PButler111

Since you haven't the first clue what he was looking for in this car, other than it being a 240, you have no idea what you're talking about (for a change).

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PButler111

Hehehe, I actually did get your point, I was just kidding about the '75 LTD

But also, a '95 Metro is a bad car anyhow (crash wise). Take a 2004 Toyota Echo Hatchback (not sold in the US, but you do get Scion which is based on the Echo platform). The Echo Hatchback is a SMALL car: The Echo hatchback is sold world wide as the Vitz or Yaris

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TOYOTA ECHO/YARIS performed well in the offset crash test (score 12.53 outof 16). The passenger compartment held its shape very well. Injury measurements indicated a low risk of serious injury but stiff structures in the knee impact areas resulted in reduced upper leg scores.

The vehicle performed very well in the side impact crash (score 16 out of 16). EuroNCAP noted that this was remarkable for a car without side airbags.

I wouldn't want a Suzuki/Metro anyhow, and they are no where near as good on fuel as the Toyota Echo Hatchback.

I WISH they sold the Scion here :(, but we are getting the Smart cabrio!!

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Myron Samila

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