'92 RS Heritage; cert. of destruction...

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Ok, I really could use someones help right about now. Figures, I went for the first time since I've been in Florida to a salvage yard and say a nice
red, '92 RS special heritage edition Camaro (the whole story is at http://thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php?s=&threadid%1184 ) in very good condition. Nothing bad is on the record, according to Carfax, except the "junk title" in which the car also has a certificate of destruction on it (untitlable?). I just can't stand the fact that they are going to smash a great car! It was never in an accident, and the towing company got it for abandonment which I'm really not understanding why and requested the certificate of destruction. It's been there for about 5 months and I want to rebuild it and put it back on the road where it belongs. As far as I can see, Florida is the only state that issues that type of cert. so if I was to take it to another state like Alabama or where ever, maybe I could register it there as rebuildable. I'm in the air force stationed at Tyndall AFB so I think I could get away from not having to worry about the residency issue right? The only main part missing out of it is the hatch and someone there knows the guy who has it and he might be able to get it back for me!!! I would be really grateful if you could help even in the slightest bit. I have been working over a week trying to find a solution to this. I have been working over a week trying to find a way out. I need to hurry because the hatch is not on it and the salvage yard wont put one on. Read the tread from the link I posted to what else I have tried.
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Not sure about the title.. but the whole relying on Carfax.. no.. Carfax crap! I ran a report on my '88 when I got it.. Came off as a 4 start or whatefver.. they guaranteed it was a perfect car. Well, after further checking up, its been in atleast 2 accidents and the odometer was rolled back. Just FYI.
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well I am not too worried about the carfax report. It's the fact that it's got that certificate of destruction. The only damage is a small dent in the front fender. The car has been in no accidents
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Make them an offer, buy the car and then worry about titling it. You can always sell it off for parts later on.
Get something from the salvage yard saying you bought it and own it outright.
Here in NYC, that would probably get a salvage title. Not the end of the world, but does put up a red flag about history.
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going.... '91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
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it's not so easy...
Floida state chapter 713.78 subsection 11a states, "A certificate of destruction, which authorizes the dismantling or destruction of the vehicle or vessel described therein, shall be reassignable a maximum of two times before dismantling or destruction of the vehicle shall be required, and shall accompany the vehicle or vessel for which it is issued, when such vehicle or vessel is sold for such purposes, in lieu of a certificate of title." Doesn't that sound like this could never get registered and titled ever again? One thing I never found in the laws was a time frame in which it had to be destroyed in. On the actual certificate of destruction, it says "I understand this form is to be kept in my files for 3 years". Does that mean it goes away after 3 years or just the paper certificate?
On the actual certificate ( http://www3.hsmv.state.fl.us/Intranet/dmv/Forms/BTR/82013.pdf ) I see 2 things that might be loopholes. First is the fact that on the middle line it states "When a certificate of destruction has been issued, the Department will refuse issuance of any certificate of title for that vehicle" and on the top it says "State of Flordia, Department of highway safety and motor vehicles..." which would lead me to believe that this cert. is only good in florida and is up to the other states whether or not they will title it because it's actualy got a "junk title", which I have heard can be retitleable in some states and I could bring in a bill of sale and a Affidavit or something (could lookup the laws in another state to see what they needed). Then I would just probably never register it in Florida and I would be good.
I will try to get ahold of some law enforcement agencies that deal directly with this kind of situation tomorrow or when I get time so I can see if they know any loopholes and legal ways to do this.
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Make sure the car is a legit Heritage edition! Bring the VIN # to any GM dealer and have them plug it into their parts system. One of the codes (probably starts with a Y) will denote this "special edition". Make sure the VIN # on the dash and major parts all match.
It could be a retag of a car with the parts from the Heritage.
I would probably easily get that titled here in NYC :). LOL.
Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going.... '91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
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noo, trust me, it's been looked up twice. It's legit!
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Actually do you mind talking to some people at DMV or whereever about that and telling me if it's possible? God I would love to have this car and I don't care if I have to take a week of leave just to get it registered. :)
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NYC is where I used to Launder my Pa titles:
Till they got smart to that and stopped that!
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Stop telin Secrets! Charles
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Welcome to Pennsylvania!
Find a shop that will do a reconstructed title Inspection for you, and in about ten days to two weeks, you'll have a registration card and a license plate. I another two weeks to a month, you'll have a Certificate of Title!
Then you can register the car with the Certificate of Title, with a Salvage brand on it, in any state.
Refinish King

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thanks :) If this declaratory judgment falls through, that'll be my next place to go :)
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"" wrote: > thanks :) If this declaratory judgment falls through, that'll > be my next > place to go :)
Hi, I too found a really great car... with a certificate of destruction title. It is a 86 buick, v8... looks like it was in a time warp, and landed yesterday. 111,000. original miiles, still smells new.
In Florida......
What did you do? I have until 5:00 pm tomorrow to decide if it is worth 750. with mags and skins. unbelievable.
ANY help would be appreciated. You know exactly what I am up against.
Thank you,
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Sorry for getting back to you so late. It's really hard to get a COD reversed in Florida. The easiest ways to do it are out of state from what everyone else is telling me. Like through New York or Kentucky I think(one of those states that start with a K, lol). You could try changing VINs, but then you always have to worry about being caught. Their system is flawed and they know it. The vehicles that get a COD for the wrong reason are probably like 5% or some small number like that and the rest are legit. I mean if you really like the car and see that it has a COD that should rightfully have a title, I would talk to the DMV. Look under TL-26 on the DMV website for the address of the "title correction section" and send them info, pictures, and a letter stating how you came upon it and why it souldn't have a COD. That's what I've done.
BTW, the Declaratory Judgment was dismissed, but it hopefully will work out for the better because that means no one else is claiming any ownership of the vehicle. The dismissal along with a new letter has been sent and hopefully I can get hte COD back, but I'm still not sure.
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sorry for the long wait between posts for those of you that are still interested to know how things are going. I've been somewhat depressed about this whole situation and I've got my second test coming up soon (book test for the air force) so I've got to study for that. I received a reply letter from the DMV a week after my last post and it appeared to be good news in that they wanted me to get a compliance examination (or something, I don't have the letter in front of me, but it sounded like a overall check of the car to see if it was in good condition) so I went to the Florida highway patrol office and asked them about it, and the one I talked to was a real bitch (the only other guy Ive seen there is also not much help). Right from the get go, once she heard "certificate of destruction", she was telling me she couldn't help me so I explained my situation and the responses from the DMV. She was also telling me misinformation like I was some kid who was just supposed to accept it as the truth and move on, and when I corrected her she just argued or just changed the subject. Anyhow she called the main DMV in Tallahassee to see who actually wrote the response, but couldnt get a hold of the person she needed to find out that information because nothing actually commanded the highway patrol to inspect the car and told me to either go home or wait like an hour tell they called back, so I left. I called her back the next day after receiving a voicemail that she had an answer and she said that she wasnt going to do any inspection because of the COD supposedly being a final judgment and the fact that nothing is ordering them to in the letter. What was strange though is she gave me the name of the person that allegedly sent me the letter so I called that DMV and the lady that answered (customer service) said she worked in the fraud department which almost seems to me like she just found someone else that really didnt know what was going on, but could tell me there was nothing they could do so I would stop trying to get the title back. I never ended up talking to her and havent called back since. Also she said the compliance examination was just a check of the paperwork, but I asked the lady when I called the main DMV and she said it was a check of the car itself (thats what I thought) so I need to call again to figure this out and try to see if I can locate the person actually working on this.
She is still not running yet either. I have everything installed for the most part to get it to start, but the security and check engine lamps arent coming on. Ive been shooting the wiring and found that the main voltage that goes directly from the battery to the ECM is only ~5.3VDC which is really low (battery is good and putting out 12.5VDC). I got it to crank over once before I moved it to my friends house, but that was without heads. I think I know what it is because Ive traced everything to where it goes through the firewall so Im hoping its just a loose connection. It also doesnt arc at all when you touch the positive connector to its terminal. I will post again once I get it running.
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it's
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Joe: Im shocked (has a stroke), they YOU would give such advuce if my caliber. :)
NY is one of the states to re-title a FLA cirt of de-fuctith in. Charles Who me? Would I do such things to save classic tin? you bet your Hard-On.
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Charles:
I have a buddy in MS that runs a salvage lawn equipment shop, it works for him. LOL. He takes $1000 ride on machines that people junk and gets them running like new in ten minutes. A real master at what he does.
Ok, those don't require titles, but hey, it's the same idea, he saves some good vintage stuff. He hooks me up with all the NOS Tecumseh items for my '65 Craftsman snowblower (who knew this thing was "collectable" after I bought it in great shape for $180 in NJ, even have ALL the original manuals for it...lol).
Anyhow, it's not hard to get a title here for that so long you can prove what has been done to it. I wouldn't sweat it if I were the original poster.
Save it, find a place to store it and work on the paperwork in due time. If nothing else, you could always part it out on Ebay.
Shoot, here in NYC, they will take a car for junk without a title. LOL.
Hmmm, about that neighbor I don't like (J/k). LOL. Joe--ASE Certified Parts Specialist & 10th Ann.Club Tech Director '80 Carousel Red Turbo T/A, 27k orig. '79 "Y89" 400/4 speed 10th Ann. T/A, 57k orig '84 Olds 88 Royale Bgm 2 dr, 307 "Rocket" (lol), 143k and still going.... '91 S10 Blazer 4.3Z
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Thanks everyone, glad to hear from you :)
it's looks like I can reg it again in cali!!!! there still is a possibility that they might not, but it's unlikely. If not NY might be my next pick. I still need to go back one more time to the tow yard and see if they will send in the letter and affidavit (general sworn statement if you didn't know) and get a rebuildable salvage title and the state will send an inspector to the salvage yard to check out the vehicle to reissue a rebuildable title (not rebuilt yet). It is perfectly legal.
Yes I am buying it!
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I am trying to find someone with a digital camera so I can take some pictures when I get it on base. If nothing else, I will buy a cheap disposable camera and have the pictures developed and put on cd.
It's final, I am buying the car. Paid the guy $400 and he is going to tow it to his yard and put a car cover I just bought on it. I still need to find out if I can get the original hatch for it. I also still have to pay another $1000 for it so it's going to be awhile. I might be able to go to his house though and take some pictures though.
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If you want a sneek preview, here is a picture from thirdgen.org. This looks just like it (color and all) except it has T-tops.
http://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/brochures/1992Camaro/92camaroheritage.jpg
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