Another example in CRs current ratings for the Crown Vic and the Grand
Marquis, that have consistently been the most dependable value priced
vehicles on the road, which are in fact the same vehicle with different
trim. Rating them differently indicates their methodology is flawed and
You might consider actually looking at what CR says about cars before you
denounce what they say (or more accurately didn't say).
Let's see April '06 issue p. 49. The Crown Vic gets an average rating for
reliability and owner satisfaction and is recommended. Then on page 63 we
have the Grand marquis that gets an average rating for reliability and for
owner satisfaction and is recommended. (Both get black dots for
Gee, they rate the same. What the heck are you talking about?
Apparently not. Actually consumer do NOT go out and buy those recommend by
CR, since their top ten vehicles does not mirror the top ten selling
vehicles in the US. GM and Ford sell millions more of their vehicles
annually in the US than does any import. Chrysler sells hundred of
thousands more then the best selling import as well. Seems to me only
those easily duped by CRs opinions are buying those suggest by CR as being
'better' vehicles LOL
CR has been good to us, I have no problems with their recommended best-buys,
they tend to hit the nail on the head. We purchased our Club Wagon with
their recommendation in mind. We had a Taurus at the time, you know, the
model from hell. Well, purchased a Club anyway and have loved it (we had 4
kids then, we have 6 now with 1 on the way). It has been a good van and the
problems that we have had were identified by CR so we knew what we were
getting into. Maybe there is a lot of emotion behind anti-CR rhetoric. I
know I can't afford to have the "BEST" car, that doesn't mean I should get
mad at CR. That's stupid. I at least can know the possible problems I will
experience on a percentage basis. If 95% or cars are deemed bad, I'm sure
that the 5% of those who purchased good cars will strongly disagree.
Uh, you are abusing the term "problematic". It means:
Debatable: open to doubt or debate; "If you ever get married, which seems to
be extremely problematic"
Baffling: making great mental demands; hard to comprehend or solve or
believe; "a baffling problem"; "I faced the knotty problem of what to have
for breakfast"; "a problematic situation at home"
It does not mean trouble-prone as you seem to think. And, again, you are
misinterpreting the five year old model reliability numbers that CR
publishes. Please read the caption next to the graphs.
Actually, the Honda Accord is the #2 best selling medium sized sedan. The
Camry is #1. The Prius is the best selling hybrid. Honda Odysseys sell very
well, although Chrysler may out-sell them (Odysseys are pricey). The Civic
sells well in a crowded segment. And gee, no rebates on any of them!
Japanes cars are overated, my brothers wife has a 2000 Mazda cant rember the
model, the one at the top of the line before making the Millinium. The car
has maybe a little over 110k miles on it and has been thru 2 transmissions.
It rides like a truck with rattles all over the place. It is there second
Mazda the first one didnt last either but she still wanted another
one...just goes to show how people get brainwashed.
You certainly are entitled to your own opinion and can spend your money
wherever you wish. If you want to rely on the opinions of others, look at
the sales figures. Most buyers do not agree with your opinion or spend
their money were you do, or as CR suggests. When it comes time to spend
their hard earned money US buyers buy a lot more products for GM, Ford and
Chrysler than they do from Toyota, Honda or any other import brand, period.
The true test of what is 'best' is in the total annual sales figures.
Obviously more buyer believe domestics make the better vehicles
And you clipped the fun part of my previous post...
Look, if it's any consolation to you, I not only look at personal experience
(Fords and VWs suck, GMs are so-so, Toyotas rock) and CR (Fords and GMs
often suck, VWs usually suck, Toyotas and Hondas usually rock) but I also
solicit the opinions and experiences of my friends (domestics suck, Toyotas
and Hondas rock) and my mechanic ("domestics are my cash cows but I really
appreciate people who buy VWs and please don't buy that Toyota because I'm
trying to send kids to college").
See any themes there? I sure do.
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You my friend are the person confused, if you do not believe buyers in the
US spend their hard earned money on what THEY believe is the best.. GMs
vehicles, in the minds of most buyers are the best, that is why they buy
more of them than any others. The Camry in the minds of most buyers are the
best mid size car, that is why they buy more of them than any others. The
true test is what do the most buyers buy, not what CR or you best friend
believes is better. That my friend is the point I have been tying to make
you understand and your are failing to grasp.
The vehicle that leads its segment of the market in which it competes is
obviously the BEST since buyers choose it above ALL the other with which it
competes. That is why the Civic is the number one selling small car, the
Camry is the best selling midsize car, Buick has the best selling large car,
The Escape is the best selling small SUV, Explorer the best selling mid size
SUV, and Chevrolet sells the number one large SUV. Ford is selling more of
its F150 than ANY other vehicle car or truck and has been for nearly 30
years. Dodge sells more minivans than anyone else and has for more than
twenty years. The Ford Econoline is the lest selling large van and the list
goes on. The reasons more buyers buy those vehicle than any others is
because the buyers believe they are the best, period. Not because CR says
they should or should not buy them. ;)
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