Re: Challenge every Red Light Camera Ticket!

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About 10 years ago when I lived in socal I lived in Hacienda heights and worked in Whittier. Using city streets instead of the freeway there was a short (maybe 2 mile) section of 4 lane road with almost no side streets. traffic would run at 60 or better. The local cops put a patrol car on the shoulder. Sometimes it was manned, but sometimes it had a dummy in it. Needless to say, traffic slowed down to the speed limit (40 or 45) because drivers were never sure if it was a real cop or a dummy.
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127.0.0.1 wrote:

I read all replies here about those bastard unmarked cops. They represent, along with politicians, beauroRats, world leaders, and scuzbags a control over our lives day in and day out. WE must stop the insanity, you do have a choice, no matter what it is, you have a choice. We are weak against them, is what they want us to feel. Sure we are free, but suppressed at the same time. In other words we are really not that free. They arrange loans to us so we can have the nice 3 bedroom house c/w white picket fence and eat home made apple pie. We ultimately pay the price, most of us are living around the "too much month at the end of the money" lifestyle as it is. But how many of the average employees at your work place are getting any further ahead? Ask yourself this If you could start your own business and never pay a dime of tax again, WOULD YOU DO IT?) And because of the sudden found tax loopholes those bastards have for themselves, you could take advantage of those too! So what are you waiting for? Come on, you guys are smart? Or did the public school system help tap in to less than about ten percent of your potential? Did you buy a self help/motivational cassette tape? And I don't mean to lose weight. Then obviously you have been suppressed. The class of people your parents and their parents, parents were able to hang out with would be in no doubt a long line of simple folk with little means to better themselves too. You needed to be born with in the stench of god given wealth, right? The bloodline of the guy/gal with a doctorate from Yale(In any discipline)That's the family you want to become part of, as your chances at true success is now ten times of those of you and me who are reduced to axe grinding through life. This is a true controlling effect. High fluting bankers love us, we make them rich, they keep the interest at a rate that we can just bear, so we can work ourselves to the bone. Then we educate our children by those standards as set out in the public school system so they too can repeat in life as we have. So pay as little tax as possible, cheat if you have to, don't think the BeauroRats don't. Challenge any of those carefully hidden tax grabs ie Red light cameras, Photo-Radar if it returns Etc. Folks these days it seems everyone's got their greedy F&*&^&& little hands in our pockets.
dan h.
I apologize for the long winded post.
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No apology necessary. Nothing will change until people start voting from the rooftops.
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On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:29:22 GMT, MisterSkippy

Two things: 1) Taxpayers Strike. 2) Second Amendment
Taxpayers Strikes tend to get the government's attention. The Second Amendment was added to ensure that your government serves you. NOT the other way around. The US is a great country, but tools have to be used if you want to keep it that way.
Before you vote on the second of next month ask the person who wants to buy your vote with your money where they stand on the issues that are important to you. (email is great b/c you can get their answers in writing to slam them with later when they screw up).
Just my 2 cents.
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Yes to the cameras. It's time for those red light running folks who think their time is more valuable than others time and safety to get what they have coming. I mean, you want to bitch slap them but you can't. I love it when they get ticketed.
I choose not to buy into the claims about unsafe timing, because it is only that, a claim. Anyone can say anything. What I do know for a fact though, is that intersections without cameras have plenty of red light running, and I think that is far more unsafe than the yellow timing issue.
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:05:44 -0500, "noname"

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as my friend's dad told us once (he was a long time MPD man)
if the light turns from yellow to red while you're in the intersection, other than turning left, or if you speed up, regardless of whether or not you're below the speed limit, you've run the red light.
Here in St paul they're putting yellow light countdown timers on our street (a busy 4 lane) to help forestall some redlighters.
Trouble is, most the people running red on my street are doing 40+ in a 30 mph zone, with 3 schools within 2 blocks of us, so I've not much sympathy with them as the SPPD has a constant speedtrap at the Middle School 1/2 block from our house. Seen too many accidents by idiots running the light at 50 or more to have any remorse if they get killed, but the poor saps they hit and the couple of kids they've killed get all my sympathy...
Dave
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On 22 Sep 2004 14:58:09 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@aol.comroryg (munir fi Taiara Amudia) wrote:

My understanding about yellow lights (and what seems to be regarded by the courts) is if you are "beyond the point of no return". Specifically, if, at the speed limit, you cannot stop behind the white line from where you are then you may proceed, otherwise it's regarded as running the red.
My issues with the camera's isn't their existence or their use at red lights (I'm all for it esp in disputes with insurance companies). It is more that police that would otherwise be used to ensure save roads by monitoring high risk intersections are instead doing radar duty on Highways & bi ways. That's the real revenue raiser for the gov't.
The police in my area don't do radar duty on the stretches of highways were the most accidents are (too dangerous to get out) they take the open, clear, safe sections. Is this really what we are paying them for?
On the issue of Speed camera's..... I'll just say look to the UK & what a F&cking mess it is there with their speed camera's. Pure "taxation by other methods". That's the concern in the US, that they will follow England's lead in that area.
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I have been told that if you are under a light and it turns red, you have an obligation to continue through. So that should not be considered running a light.
About the cameras, I think it is pretty ghey. It will end up causing more trouble and headaches than it will good.
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You are not to even enter the intersection if you know you would need to stop in the middle of it. For example, if you need to make a left turn you must wait for oncoming traffic to clear before going. You are supposed to do that waiting OUTSIDE the intersection. Just because nobody obeys this, and it is rarely enforced, doesn't mean it isn't the rule.
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:04:49 -0500, twins0203

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unmarked cop cars are cowardly imo
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On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:11:31 -0500, twins0203

Ditto
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Real chickenshit tactics is the police helicopter with radar, I can't believe they waste THOUSANDS to keep it aloft to catch a few speeders.
Radar camera tickets I just throw in the trash, if it isnt certified mail it doesn't count.
Just don't stop for the next unmarked police car that pulls up behind you with their lights on, keep driving, wait till a marked car gets behind you, and THEN pull over. Who knows, it could be any idiot with some blue and red strobes flashing his high beams at you to get you to pull over and then carjack you. Tell them exactly that, not much they can do. Plus your making them spend even more money on you.
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I've yet to see an "unmarked" car that I couldn't tell was a police car
Dave
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On 23 Sep 2004 13:26:05 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@aol.comroryg (munir fi Taiara Amudia) wrote:

Drive in NY or parts of Ontario. There's cops in oddball cars with chrome wire wheel covers, tinted windows, stickers etc. I know that in K/W Ontario there was a plain white police van that looked EXACTLY like a plumbers van replete with ladder & tubing on the roof rack that used to nail people all the time. Bet you'd never expect a plumbers van to throw on a set of dash mounted cherries would you. I handled a claim a while back where an insured hit&run an "undercover" Yukon, crushed the running boards & smashed a chrome low profile rim....
The only consistency with police vehicles is that they tend to be freshly washed as they start their shifts (b/c of the walk around).
Smart police officers quickly take them down gravel roads though...
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haven't been to NY since 1976 :(
Go to NW ON quite often, up there you rarely see a cop as it is, and I've not ever seen an OPP unmarked.
Then again, they so rarely enforce the speed laws on Hwy 17, fi they did the pulp trucks would quit running, the paper mill would shut down and then the hue and cry agin the OPP would commence, LOL
Seriously, if you run on Hwy 17 and a log truck comes up on you, you'd better hit the shoulder, or else they will. Being passed on the shoulder by a 65' semi loaded with logs running 90+ MPH is a thrill not to be missed!!!
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Something else you might want to think about. Not all of the cameras are there for ticketing purposes. Some cities have them setup for real time monitoring. Interesections with unusually high traffic accidents will be monitored real time so that there is no delay in dispatching emergency personnel to the scene.
Don Manning

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says...

They could spend a bit of money on getting an engineer to study the intersection to see why it is so dangerous. Once they identify the cause, they can come up with a solution. Having a camera there to send help when necessary is better than nothing, but not by much. ----------- Alex
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More and more, especially in urban areas, signals and boulevard stops are becoming merely suggestions that motorist follow/heed.
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symptons of a larger problem. ---------- Alex
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Good thing most states wont allow these as you have to be handed a citation in hand in person at the time of the infraction by the officer who witnessed the infraction.
Once in a blue moon, you read in the paper about the occasional challenge to a citation that a cop mailed to the registered owner of the vehicle. In my state, every single one of those gets tossed as they are "constitutionally invalid". The problem is, most people just pay up and don't fight.
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