Son is considering a 2013 Accord.
I see that they have gone to a CVT transmission.
First time, I think.
Haven't been out for long, but anything to be concerned about re
reliability, etc ? Something new is always a bit apprehensive.
Do they come with different brand of tires depending upon part of the
country, or just randomness, or do they use only one brand ?
Decent all-weather for New England driving, or must one switch to
something else as soon as possible ?
Any general thoughts on options, trim level, etc. worth considering,
would be much appreciated.
Yes, but on the other hand Honda has experience swapping out thousands
of transmissions, even beyond the warranty period, when they mess up.
I'm happy with the CVT so far. It's not perfect, but it's far better
than the auto trannies they've been making for the past ten, fifteen
Dunno. Of course the dealer can always accomodate you.
I went crazy and got the EXL, four cylinder. Part of the reason is I
wanted to try out the new gimcracks, the Forward Collision Warning and
the Lane Departure Warning robots (I guess all the models now have
backup camera?). I've posted about these, they are Not Ready For Prime
Time, they give a LOT of false warnings - but they are not obtrusive,
and I find them entertaining in a geek way. Maybe it's worth the
false warnings as long as they also warn when *really* needed.
One note: on the mileage, overall it really is improved from last
year, at least 10% better. The BIG improvement seems to be at freeway
speeds. However, in stop and go traffic the mileage is WORSE, the car
can have trouble getting even 20mpg.
Still, overall, I'm enjoying the car more than the last several Hondas
I've owned. I like the new front suspension! I like the keyless
entry and push-button start. I like the exterior appearance,
especially the 2012 was getting pretty mucked up, and 2013 is the best
the car has looked in several models.
I recommend the blue or red colors!
I'm still curious about the price, the only advertised specials
they've run so far are on the LX - which is much more feature-rich
than in the past, it has almost everything you'd want anyway. I had
to dicker with the dealer to get a reasonable price and I *think* I
did OK, but I'm still waiting to see the first advertised special on
the EXL to confirm it.
On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:33:03 -0500, "Howard Lester"
Interesting, I didn't know that, haven't tried it, thanks.
... but I'm not sure what to do with it, actually, I think it really
needs to be a two-phase with an earlier warning and a later panic
mode. As it is, if I make it longer I'll get really too many false
positives, and if I make it shorter I can't react fast enough when I
hear it. So I'm strongly tempted to leave it alone.
Also just this last week, was finding that long shadows crossing the
road seem to confuse it, cause false positives as you drive across the
shadow of a bare tree or telephone pole.
Actually, I think it needs further "smarts", if my foot is already off
the gas it might want to hold off another fraction, I think it *does*
notice if my foot is already on the brake. Frankly I wish they'd
publish the whole algorithm. If something jumps in front of me, and I
mash the brake and the antilock is firing and I am just about to slide
into something at 30mph anyway, does it still give me a warning?
I hope not - and I think not, and I hope I never find out, except by
looking at the algorithm.
I don't know if this matters but I had a '91 Accord 4cyl auto (bought
new) and with only 90,000+ miles the transmission was slipping. I
hated to trade it in but the cost to fix was greater than the value of
the car (approx 12+ yrs old) so I traded it in. It was a good car
till the trans was slipping. In fairness tho, this car did a lot of
stop and go driving which I believe is harder on the trans but it was
well cared for.
what gear was it slipping in? too late now of course, but there's a
common issue with torque converter lock-up. if the engine computer
doesn't get a good connection on the gear selector switch, it doesn't
activate lock-up and that can feel like slipping. the solution is to
remove, clean and re-grease the selector switch contacts - the
transmission works as good as new after that.
Jim, I appreciate this info. I honestly don't remember now but I'm
guessing in 3rd or 4th gear ??? The car never really let me down
even in this condition but my wife was scared to drive it so I knew I
had to do something at the time. I really liked the car because it
was so nimble. As I said, I really didn't want to part with it.
yeah, right up to when the economy collapsed, at which point they
disavowed any responsibility for their clearly defined fuckup.
And yet, people kept coming to the showrooms and buying cars.
Honda has learned their lesson: they could slap the Honda logo on a
Yugo and make money, so the days of Honda taking responsibility for
their shitty actions and junk cars are long gone.
Buy that brand-new CVT at your own risk. 36 months and one day or
36,001 miles later, it's ALL yours to pay for--no matter how badly Honda
most of their current advertising is resting on the laurels of the good
cars they used to produce back in the day - late 80's, early 90's. but
people that got burned by the post 2001 civics don't buy honda. nor do
the people who got burned by the accord/acura tl/odyssey transmission
the guy running honda usa is "ex" frod. i say "ex" because based on
honda's game plan in recent years, they're doing pretty much everything
they can to undermine what used to be honda's core values. if i were
frod and i had the chance to sabotage my competition, i'd absolutely
LOVE to get one of my guys appointed to their leadership and set about
their demise. slowly. so it doesn't look too obvious. just like
boiling a frog.
if designed to fail. the cvt isn't inherently flawed - it's been used
by all the major manufacturers in the rest of the world for ages -
there's no reason it shouldn't be just as successful here, if not
designed to fail.
it wasn't just the v6, the i4 civics with a completely different
transmission, had problems too.
personally, from what i've been able to gather on their failure mode and
change in manufacturing technique, and from the above, i believe it was
deliberate. but i also think they miscalculated on mileage. it's a
deliberate decision to change from known reliable case-hardened
[carburized] gears to cheaper flame hardened [precipitation hardening]
gears. they knew the life of the former was many times that of the
latter. but they screwed up and didn't calculate that the swarf
build-up from the surface spalling of the flame hardened gears would
block up the oil cooler and cook the transmission.
and i think they severely miscalculated on customer reaction. or japan
did. or if you buy my trojan horse theory on honda usa's "ex" frod
management [because it's a usa problem, not global], it's no
miscalculation at all.
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 06:42:22 -0500, "Howard Lester"
I'm no mechanic but that does NOT sound generous to me. I admit I'm
a Honda guy but upon my next new purchase, I'll have to look at the
Sonota. If I recall their warrantees are good. My only concern is
getting parts for it. I remember about 3 years ago, my mechanic said
to stay away from Kia and Hyundai. I don't recall why but I think it
had to do with parts. Guess I should ask him again and why. My
brother in law bought a new Sonota about 4 or 5 months ago and the
last time I talked to him about it, he liked it and he owned one or
two Hondas before it.
Some habits die hard, and the early days of Hyundai were rough. No
doubt. And I'm sure that's what your mechanic is thinking about.
Over the last 10 years, Honda has been running scared of Hyundai/Kia.
Hence the new Honda powertrain warranty, is my guess.
Honda apparently has done everything they can to compete, *except*
produce a quality car--that rivals what they built in the 90s--and stand
up proudly and tell the market, this is what we build and why, and it's
Instead, they're busy cheapening the cars so they can play the stupid
price game with Hyundai, and now the longer powertrain warranty. Huh.
Funny that Toyota isn't playing that game.
Dear American Honda: if you let the other guy define the rules of the
game, you will lose every time.
forced into it, eh?
Too little, too late.
the ONLY way I'd buy a new Honda--or a certified used one, for that
matter--is if the price I'm comfortable with *included* the full boat,
full length HondaCare.
let's face it: I'm not likely to buy a new Honda under any
circumstances. MAYBE if American Honda wrote me a check for the $2500
they stole from me. But they'd have to do that FIRST, as a sign of
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 09:11:33 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
Just my two cents here and no disrespect intended.....I know $2500 is
nice but if the car is crappy, why would you want a crappy car? Is
it worth the hassle bringing it often to the mechanic to fix while
being down a car?
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:12:33 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
The reason I brought it up was I had a Chevy that looked like new but
was in the shop almost every month from the time it was new. I dumped
it after just 4 years. It was the worst car I ever owned even
compared to a Pinto I owned many years earlier.
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