MK3 Golf AEE (1.6) starting issues

My girlfriend's Golf is having a bit of starting trouble. Basically, the starter will spin the engine fairly well, up to about 400 revs or so, which if I recall correctly, is about right for a starter. However, the engine doesn't catch. Give it a welly full of throttle, and it'll fire and then bog down again at around 600rpm, and stall. What it reminds me of most is driving an old MK2 Golf with a bunged up ICV / the idle screw turned too far in.

Keep giving it a bit of throttle (say, 5 or ten seconds held at

1000-1500rpm) and it's fine.

I replaced the breather pipe that feeds from the oil seperator into the airbox, so it's possible that the throttle body is gunged up, but I can't see why that would cause cold start issues, but not at any other time.

Other candidates are that the throttle body stepper motor has worked out of alignment, and finally there's the possibility that there's something wrong with the charging system / battery / spark, and there's not enough energy to properly ignite a whiff of air and petrol in a cold engine, or the alternator is pulling the engine revs down, trying to get some charge into a near dead battery. The battery is claiming to be fine, with green showing in the window.

Obviously I'll have a bit more idea tomorrow, when I can take the DMM out and get some readings for the battery voltage. Any other possibilities?

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Doki
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If it's gunged up then it will be difficult to start, but it'll idle roughly as well.

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Duncan Wood

Right. Had the digital multimeter out, and the battery's kicking out a nice healthy 12.6V before starting, and 14.4V after.

However, the missing warm air feed pipe from the top of the exhaust manifold, which I yanked off in July before it could disintegrate and chew up a belt, was staring me in the face. Sure enough, the flap in the intake pipe was swiched over to warm air... Think that'll be my first port of call.

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Doki

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Check for spark by removing one of the plugs. Also check that the fuel pump is running while starting, could be a bad fuel pump relay.

SFC

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SFC

Have you got VAG-COM? I'd do a scan, and clean, re-align the TB to start with.

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Chris Bartram

I've got a demo version of Vag-com along with a cheap and nasty ebay cable. Unforunately, that reports error 00282 - Throttle Position Actuator (V60)

36-00, Open circuit. Which fits with the throttle stepper motor appearing to do nothing at all.

The wiring appears to be perfect, so I'm beginning to suspect the throttle body. Second hand ones are around for £45, against £95-140 for a new item - does anyone know if it's a major pain in the neck to swap one of these? If it is, it's going to a man what knows...

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Doki

I've had the TB off our Lupo (1.4 AFK) to clean it, and it was dead easy- take off the airbox, then 4 bolts and one multi-plug. You'll want a new rubber seal for it.

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Chris Bartram

Right then. Sounds like time for a new to me TB and find a man to reset the stepper. There's no cheap way of doing it without forking out for full vag com is there?

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Doki

It's rumoured that leaving the ignition on for a few minutes does it, but I have my doubts. In fact, I just don't believe it.

Ask on one of the VAG forums (briskoda, seatcupra, audi-sport, uk-mkivs etc for someone to do it. Where are you?

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Chris Bartram

Much like on my golf, mine was quite dirty, I've noticed a vast improvement since cleaning it. I will do it more often.

To doki, I'm not sure the shareware version of vag com will allow you to do the TB alignment routine, unless you registe rit for like £50-ish. I Too have a cheap crude lead form ebay, I made sure it worked with all modules and then registered it. A bargain imo. Although at some point I would love a genuine ross tech lead. Although I read a few forum posts suggestion theres a way to remove the shareware restrictions sometime back, not sure how much truth there is to this.

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Dubber

Doh I wish I read the full thread lol. Some peeps in the know reckon driving the car around for a while will reset the throttle settles, as it re-learns it from your driving, but it runs like a bag of spanners whilst doing so.

To my dismay theres never a cheap way of doing sod all these days on car lol. I've been stung many times with car problems.

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Dubber

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