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JD wrote:


Welcome to the Real-political world. Corporate welfare has been around for a long while. It's the CEO's and not the working mothers that has been pulling at Washington hind teat.
Chip
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JD wrote:

Socialism implies that it helps the people, whereas this is just giving additional profits to the corporations. Yay America, the land where people confuse socialism with corporatism.
-tom!
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In message burned some brain cells writing:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
What the fuck are YOU smoking?
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I am old enough to remember gasoline at $0.18, yes, eighteen cents a gallon, when I was going to college in Kalamazoo, MI in the early 1970s. A few years later we heard rumors that gas was going to be $1.00 a gallon, and we couldn't believe it! It sounded like the end of the world!
But when the Arab oil embargo happened and there were lines for gas it became evident that there were limits to the amount of oil in the ground.
I never forgot that, and so for the last 35 years or so, as I have seen the enormous urban sprawl spreading out with no intelligent urban planning in ugly big box seas of asphalt it has made me sad to see our national treasure and the construction of my lifetime being wasted on a mess that was utterly dependent upon the automobile, because it has been apparent to anyone who paid attention that oil supplies were finite and when they ran down to the point of making gasoline and diesel too expensive for the average guy to afford unlimited amounts of them a large portion of the structure of our country would become obsolete and would end up having to be largely abandoned.
So when I have seen all these big box monsters of ignorance under construction farther and farther out into the desert I have always seen them as the next set of ghost towns that are destined to stand crumbling as monuments to short sightedness and idiocy. I hope I am wrong, but it sure is starting to look that way.
Electrically powered mass transit is going to have to replace the car at some point and retail and housing will have to be redesigned with walking in mind. If we get serious in changing the mind set from the one that we were given by GM and Big Oil after WW II when GM bought many of the streetcar systems around the country and junked them and focus on mass transit and renewable production of electricity and livable high density urban design we can have a much more pleasant setting in which to live.
Not only is this car centered model doomed because of Peak Oil, it has also turned out to be pretty much a drag. Driving the freeways of LA in my opinion is a horrible experience and I wouldn't miss it if I never have to again. Nobody talks about it, but 40,000+ people die on the roads annually in the U.S. and half a million are maimed. It's kind of a lonely society too. You can't mingle with the other passengers on the freeway like you can on the TGV fast trains in France.
I only bought one new car in my life, a 1985 Toyota Corolla, which I still drive. I like to say to myself that I am voting no with my non dollars to the untenable societal model of the car centered society.
Strange posts these are for a car listserve . . .
I still love my Mercedes and two Toyotas, of course, and I enjoy working on them.
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I suggest you check your memories, because what you remember once again ain't so. You'd have to go back many decades before the 70's to have gasoline at 18 cents.
A few years later we heard rumors that gas was going to be

You sure have a very negative way at looking at things. I'm sure a small minority of guys that pondered the fate of things like the cave, sailing ships, horse and buggy, steam engine etc had similar dire thoughts.

More pleasant according to you. As for me, just leave the rest of us free to choose, instead of having some govt bureaucrats decide what's right for us.

Been there done that. It's not like some utopian social engagement party. People get on these trains, read their newspapers, or stare out the window, just like they do on trains or buses here.

That's cool if it makes you feel good.

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In message burned some brain cells writing:

Who let the winner of the Bad Hemingway contest into the room?
"Stand crumbling" - nice touch. Ugggh.
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I can tell you long to run with the bulls and fight the mighty marlin and to make love to a woman with a mustache. Your comment brought a tear to my myopic and sometimes watery and bloodshot hazel eye. It is with great abandon and the pain of one who knows well the Great White Marlin that I refer you to the one of the best bad Hemmingway sites. In bad Hemmingway, there are no winners, only the dark and terrible waters of the Marlin and bullfights.
http://badhemingway.com/chapter03.html The bottle of Tortuga slid across the tilting table and came to rest in a large calloused hand. It was a worn and bitter hand, and it belonged to a worn and bitter man who had not treated it well. There were scrapes along the palm from many miles of rope and scars on the knuckles from many dozens of broken noses. There was a poorly stitched cut running from the thumb to halfway up the massive forearm, a cut made by the teeth of a barracuda. Despite its state, the hand served this man well. He had fought many storms and many enemies, and had won every time. While others were swept off the deck he stood his ground, laughing at the winds and waving the sabre he had taken from a dead carrabinero.
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It's the American dream. A big house on a big plot of land. Bit difficult in middle of Manhattan unless you're a zillionnaire.
One of my relatives has a nice house in a large plot in what was the exurbs of Tucson, now not quote so remote. You almost need a taxi to get to the road, on which a bus never passes.
DAS
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There really were times when there was a "gas war," which meant that the various local stations were competing on price, that the price of regular would sometimes get into the "teens" and you could drive around in Kalamazoo, MI, USA, where I was living at the time, and find gas for 18.9 cents a gallon. A more usual price would have been 23.9 cents per gallon.
I had a Suzuki 50 that got 200 miles or something outrageous like that to the gallon, so travel was pretty cheap around campus.
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Sorry, but your memory is faulty. According to the DOE, the average pump price for gasoline in 1970 was 36 cents and that was the low point for the 70's. It was the highest in the 70's in 1979 at 86 cents. To get an average price of 22 cents, you'd have to go back to 1947 and for 18 cents all the way to 1940.
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/2005/fcvt_fotw364.html

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The house moved? All by itself?
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AND the amount of land for food agriculture is down.
Food protectionism is rising. Kill 'biofuels'...
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"-->> T.G. Lambach <<--" <"T.G. Lambach at NoHamorSpamcomcast.net"> wrote in message

While you paying $4.50/g I am paying $1.75/g. That's why I'm the only one in town who can afford to drive crazy.....Accelerate and Brake so suddenly... Every time I told people the truth, they think I am selling a snake oil..... When people don't respect me, I don't respect them neither.... It is not difficult, the technology is already available, people are just too damn fixed in their mind/thinking, because my English isn't perfect, they think I'm on crack, well you know who is really on crack now, America is falling, that's a proof of people on crack, especially with their stupid war dragging down economy, Biofuel too causing a spiral downturn into foods.
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On Apr 25, 7:26 pm, "-->> T.G. Lambach <<--" <"T.G. Lambach at NoHamorSpamcomcast.net"> wrote:

i'm in mexico where the state-run oil company (PEMEX) has managed to hold down gas prices. they have not changed substantially in the last two years. still around 67 cents a liter for gas ($2.68/us gal) and 60 cents a liter for diesel ($2.40/us gal)
it was costing me over fifty bucks to fill up in the us and here it's around thirty max. (1985 300D)
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Today it is $9/gallon in Norway both diesel and Premium You have to be rich.
rd "-->> T.G. Lambach <<--" <"T.G. Lambach at NoHamorSpamcomcast.net"> skrev i melding

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But you take crude oil from the North Sea and refine it, don't you?
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fuel is not caused by differences in the price of oil, oil costs the same for all countries that import oil, the differences in prices is caused by government imposed taxes on fuel, norway has a huge social service, womb to tomb care, free education all funded by taxes on fuel __________________________________________ Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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jdoe wrote:

Since Norway is a democracy, the inhabitants must approve of their governments and the oil prices. Public transport serves most of the public and those with deep pockets pay an extra subsidy for their oil. That's the way the majority of the people like it. America is not a democracy. The corps and the fatcats hire lobbyists to make sure it stays that way. ____________________________________________ Idiots always argue.The Intelligents discuss. Republicans are greedy and resent every penny spent, unless it's on themselves.
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jdoe wrote:

Since Norway is a democracy, the inhabitants must approve of their governments and the oil prices. Public transport serves most of the public and those with deep pockets pay an extra subsidy for their oil. That's the way the majority of the people like it. America is not a democracy. The corps and the fatcats hire lobbyists to make sure it stays that way. ____________________________________________ Idiots always argue.The Intelligents discuss.
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