You guys and gals forget that a kar, no matter what brand it may be, a
car will not perform unless the driver knows how to drive...my AWD
Lexus corneres better than any German or US rear or front wheel drive
I have ever owned or rented....
Sure every brand of car has its inherent roadworthiness, and sure you
can't put a car through its paces any more without getting a ticket
from John Law, so we are left with really two choices, styling appeal/
comfort and, no hidden surprises, ergo reliability.......
in the first case, it is very judgemental, the Audi grille is about
as ugly as they come with their pseudo Olympic logo etched in Kapital
Letters, and the Japanese designs are not very innovative either
(witness the Nissan taillights), but in the case for not leaving you
stranded or with a hefty repair bill, the Japanese outshine all
others, US, European and other Asian brands combined, except perhaps
for the Koreans, but there I am still on the learning curve.......
I have the same thought too. McBrue comments to me is always 'blah-
blah-blah", doesn't make sense at all.
It seems like he spent $70K on a car just to bitch about it.
Don't you know how to 'test drive' before purchasing car ?
This someone who has determined he is a DRIVER because of the advertising
that is aimed at simple souls such as himself . European cars rely on their
aloof snob appeal knowing full well that their quality and reliability can
not match that of Japanese and in many cases American vehicles.
Snob appeal is alive and well, both with European brands, and with
Japanese, too. Big surprise: the luxury segment is *defined* by snob
appeal to some extent. You think a Cadillac Escalade owner isn't feeling
snobbish? You think that idiotic Hummer driver doesn't think he's the man?
People don't buy Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, Porsche, or
even Audi because of "utilitarianism" or "value". They buy them because
they feel they're getting something beyond the ordinary, and they can
pay the price.
But pretty much every one of these brands is aiming for certain market niches,
in many cases slightly differentiated from each other by subtle "leanings".
Anyone who's been awake for the last decade (and who isn't delusional)
*knows* that Lexus has staked out a territory defined by certain
a) perceived high reliability and build quality
b) isolation from the driving experience
c) enough performance to placate owners who prefer "b)"
d) exclusivity and snob appeal
e) market segment-competitive "electronics"
Have you even watched a single Lexus commerical? Yes, there are some
that seem to stress performance, but how about the ES series? Oh look,
the robots are sensuously fondling the car. Oh look, not a bit of sound
intrudes upon your driving experience. Oh look, I don't have to know
how to parallel park (LS). Some "driver's car". Give me a break.
I doubt the typical BMW owner ranks "reliability" tops. They sure as
hell wouldn't rank "isolation" high either. Their electronics, in terms
of I-Drive, are almost universally reviled. But performance?
Got a Lexus you'd like to line up against an M3?
I have an Acura. If I could afford it, I might look at a BMW or Mercedes.
A Lexus doesn't ring my chimes: too Buick-like. Sorry.
But that's my opinion, and hopefully you're not too insecure in *your*
purchase decision to get upset about it.
While I generally agree with this assessment lets not forget that for
the VAST majority of drivers the speed difference between a Lexus and
BMW (with similar HP to weight ratio) being hustled down a public road
won't amount to anything significant. And if you live where winter
ravages the roads, a softer sprung car is sometimes faster.
The RWD Infiniti cars prove BMW and MB don't have a lock on "drivers
car" territory. To be fair, any owner of a RWD sports car (lots of
Miata owners out there) already knows this better than any sedan
driver. I'll go out on a limb and predict that once GM's new RWD
sporty cars hit the market and more folks get exposed to RWD dynamics
that BMW/MB mystique is gonna fade.
Not yet, but I hear performance Lexuses are coming in the future in
the F series. But your observation seems accurate. Many people do like
being isolated from the road. I myself would like to get from A to B
in as much comfort as possible.
On May 8, 11:34 am, "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:
2008 Corvette will have a 430 HP engine standard. Weighs a bit less
than those sedans, too. Corvette's not a luxury car? Well, if Dave can
tell me the Lexus LS is a driver's car, I can call the 'Vette a luxury
First, I never said that.
Second, you can call a head of lettuce a kumquat for all I care, that
won't mean the rest of the world will have to abide by your rules.
Whatever arbitrary standards you've decided make a car a "driver's
car", they're yours, not mine.
Yup, sounds good to me ...
DaveW: so I guess you don't have a Lexus you'd stack up
against an M3 *right now*, do you?
We're not talking "woulda coulda shoulda" here, or what might be
available, depending if said Lexus really does come with that much HP,
and I suppose depending if the M3 doesn't change, and depending if
the Lexus isn't "portly" and hampered by excessive weight added by
the need for more coddling and comfort ...
Going out on a limb here, I'd say an early 70s Datsun 510 was more
of a "driver's car" than most any Lexus so far ... =8^o
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