'06 Charger: My Review

I didn't say I hate them, I said I don't like them.

is it the "V"?

What part of "V6" did you not understand?

How many people steer perfectly like that, with their darn thumbs in a certain place all day long just waiting to honk the horn? I sure as hell don't. Old ladies do I suppose. And I don't want to have to worry about it 100% of the time. I want to know when I have a split second to honk the horn, I just throw my hand up and jam the middle of the wheel! Hasn't anybody else in here ever needed to honk the horn in an emergency and hit the wheel, and by the time you figure out where the damn button is it's already too late? Or the really lame 80's cars with it at the end of a stalk? I lost count of how many times I tried to honk the horn but couldn't because I was used to driving cars with the horn in the middle and was driving a newer car, or one of my other cars, with a dumb button somewhere that I can't access in 1/4 of a second without taking my eye off what's coming at me and my brain is in instantaneous panic mode.

How often has that happened? I'll take my chances and be able to honk the horn and maybe avoid the bag going off in the first place.

This is why people should honk their horns more often. Obviously practice makes perfect, so honk at people for not signalling, looking at you funny, or daring to use a crosswalk! You'll learn where it is fast!

Dave

On my 71 Dart Swinger it was around the wheel. To honk you just squeezed the steering wheel. It was great while it lasted. Unfortunately, it did not last and was very difficult to replace.

I-6's are much better than V6's. Unfortunately, most car designers don't like them because they take up too much space, and damn the engineering superiority.

I've had an H4 in a bike, that was a pretty sweet engine... lotsa torque on the low end, lotsa power on the high end, super tractability, no flat spots, and good engine sound on both ends.

Most car designers don't like them because the buffoons at Car & Driver bitch about how they sound "industrial" rather than "silky-smooth" (or "Honda-smooth"), which are the terms they apply to V6s.

Unless the I-6 is in a BMW -- those get special exemption.

I don't see how one get's "industrial" sound from an I6. I'm not big on sound but they sound better than I4s and V6s....

My guess is that too many people think of the basic cars of the 60s and

When that generation finally retires or dies out, then the inline 6 can be reborn. Meanwhile I'll have to hope for Ford to come to it's senses and bring over that turbo I6 from down under and for good aftermarket head for my 250.

snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (Brent P) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:

Don't Trailblazers have I6s? IIRC they weren't too shabby either.

yes, and it is a new, supposedly quite nice design.

Don't forget the wonderful old "big six" (3.0, 3.3, 3.5) from BMW, either. If that sounds "industrial" you have tin ears. I am guessing the new, smaller sixes are probably just as nice, but I've never owned one of those.

By comparison, the V6 in my Impala sounds quite agricultural. I don't understand how anyone could call a V6 "silky smooth" if they've ever driven a car with a good inline six.

nate

My first response is "Anyone who bothers to keep even one hand on the wheel instead of driving with their knees and talking on a cell phone.

My second response iss "It doesn't take anything odd if the steering wheel has horn buttons (or in the old days the vastly superior horn ring) a thumb's length away no matter where your hands are."

But a button in the center is a good, standardizable second choice.

Gah. "Rim-blow" steering wheels.

Mega-kewl on paper and when you try it in the dealer lot with the "new car" smell all around you and a brand new 340 throbbing under the hood begging you to go roast a set of Firestone Wide Ovals for 300 yards.... Absolutely idiotic in practice (how do you FIND the damn thing if you haven't been told where it is?, and the longevity problems as well).

By reading Condemner Retards. THEY think that I6s sound "industrial." Not the rest of us.

Nate Nagel wrote in news:duajon02vo0 @news2.newsguy.com:

Right, I'd forgotten about the BMWs. Beautiful example. V6s are inherently "wrong" - they're naturally unbalanced, and they sound like crap.

Chrysler was always famous for its I6s, going back to the first one in

Oh, I don't know. There are some glassy-smooth v6 engines out there that would compare well to any inline 6 ever made. The Chrysler 3.5 is one. The N*ssan v6 is another. But the Chevy 2.8/3.1/3.4/etc. is definitely NOT one...

False. 90-degree v6s may be, but 60-degree v6s are not "naturally unbalanced."

With an open or loud exhaust, I agree. But I also think inline 6s sound crappy with an open or loud exhaust. The only thing that doesn't is a v8 or v12. But that's my ear.

A horn is required often when turning hand-over-hand, and without the button in the center, one would have to look down at the wheel to find the horn button just to press it.

I give a thumbs up for a horn in the center, but having it in both places would probably be best.

Steve wrote in news:X9ednXkX940W7pHZnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@texas.net:

Steve, what V6s out now are 60-degree?

Don't know about V12s. Have you heard a Viper lately? V8s are inherently the best of course.

Gosh, a whole lot. All of Chrysler's except the 3.7. All the FWD GM v6s except the 3800. Some of the Fords, most (if not all) Japanese v6s.

Yep, the V10 is another one that just sounds awful when heard through loud pipes.