Re: LEO LEE

"Healthcare sucks"

> Best in the world = "sucks"??? >

Here is some reading:

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(World Health Organization) rated the US healthcare system on the 42ndplace on the list and called acces to healthcare by people living in theinner city comparable with sub-saharan (poor African) countries.Best in the world doesn't mean sucks, you thinking (and plenty with you)it's the best in the world sucks. FYI Infant mortality (7/1000) is almost twice as high as for example Sweden (3/1000), compare this with Malaysia (8/1000). You know what makes it real funny, Swedes pay on average only $1,707 per year on healthcare, Americans pay on average $4,180 a year. So, if best for you means: 'lower survival rates for more money', yes, I can agree with you, else, think before you yell. Oh, and in case you claim that healthcare is more than just infant mortality, life expectancy in US is rather low too, compared with other industrilized countries. For sources, just read the HDR and the WHR

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Baudolino
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So none of a Swede's exhorbitant taxes goes towards paying for the socialized healthcare system? I seriously doubt that. Nice try.

Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x")

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Bill Putney

I agree on that research but I doubt you understanding why American healthcare payment is so much high! Think clearly and logically, American healthcare payment must be HIGH in order to support the high paying healthcare workers from Nurse to the pharmacetual R & D workers. These high paying healthcare job must make hugh profit to protect their job at the expense of poor and underclass. AT the end, this high paying job is what America is all about. You wanna be part of America and American system??? YOu must get a high paying job, and healtcare system is providing at whatever the cost in order to maintain the status quo. Is this mean the best system the money can buy?

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Leo Lee

Leo Lee randomly babbled on 10/21/2003 7:47 PM:

I call bullshit on this. And I work in the healthcare industry.

Our healthcare costs are high because our gov't doesn't subsidize the crap out of it like most other countries. Kinda like why gas (or petrol, depending on what side of the pond you're from) is expensive in the U.K. and Europe, whereas it's very cheap here--our gov't subsidizes the oil industry.

Your argument fails even the most simple of logic tests. "It's expensive because it's expensive is circular reasoning."

-moitz-

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Moitz

Oh come you are ignorant one! Your govern't does't subsidize because you are not living in a socalist nation not like a Sweden or Swizerland. AMerica is the ultra capitalistic society which means get the profit margin as much as possible by the private sectors. A government subsizdizing mean the profit paid by the government so American government privatized the healthcare industry to maximize for the private sectors. Is this not the best system the money can buy? By American version of capitalism, Yes it is. In overall, it's the terrible system. America is run by rich captialists not by government social people program. The healthcare industry is the best example of the best bullshit system of this nation at the expense of the people's health. Think about it!

Oil must be cheap in AMerica in order to maintain the ultra capitalistic market system!

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Leo Lee

I like the part about how oppressive we are because, to participate in our system, you must get a high paying job.

Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x")

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Bill Putney

Some US families pay in the vicinity of $10,000 each year for healthcare.

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noyb

Thank the stars that I'm not living in a socialist nation. I like keeping the majority of the money I earned and getting to decide who and what causes are worthy of my donations.

You're still paying an outrageous amount for healthcare, no matter where you live. It's just a difference in WHEN you pay for it. In socialist countries, you pay for it (whether you use it or not) through your taxes. Here, we pay our monthly premium, and a small co-pay (usually $20 or less per office visit, at least for a PPO/POS. HMO's are usually different). Much like car insurance. At least under this system, if I don't like the care or the price, I can switch providers. Try doing that somewhere else.

If you think America is such a horrible place, then I agree with some of the other sentiments here. Leave. No one is holding you here, we're not forcing you to stay. But before you leave, take a read through two George Orwell books for me. Specifically '1984' and 'Animal Farm.' Then go enjoy your socialist paradise, where the lazy are rewarded and the motivated are punished. Anyone else remember the spectacular "success" of the U.S.S.R.? Socialism in action, my friend, socialism in action.

After all, as Winston Churchill said, "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

To everyone else, sorry about the cross-post, as soon as I figure out which NG this idiot is actually posting to, I'll post exclusively to that for this topic.

-moitz-

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Moitz

It isn't that bad. It was 37th. :-)

Reply to
Pat Norton

Too many words and numbers in the references I gave? You are so ignorant, you must be American! Use the facts to come to a conclusion, not your imagination. BTW How high is tax in Sweden? I bet you don't have a clue!

Reply to
Baudolino

american

Then why are there so many fast-food places (McDonald's & Burger King) in Europe?

Reply to
Napalm Heart

You need to pay high healthcare in order to create high paying job who will embrace and love and support the sytem. They are taking out your money out to make them a great place here at your expense.

You don't pay high in SWeden or Norway or Denmark or any place in Europea becuase they are not ultra-capitalist society. YOu are just too stupid to realize you are being rip off and pay ridiculous high cost of Healthcare while they doing the terrible service no which service you are so freedom to choose. All healthcare system in US is run by the same ultra-capitalism profit the bottom line system. You can't beat it no matter which providers you go, and you get the same serivice.

And you have to happy or they will kick your ass.

I love socialism in Sweden! I love socialism in Swizerland I love socialism in Norway! I love socialism in Denmark! I love socialism in Franch! I don't love socialism of 1984 animal farm that only socialism you know it. The book is not even real. It's fiction. Only the idotic fat-ass american never read non-fiction book. Well what more can I say about such fat-ass naive, ignorant stupid people of the United State of America?

It's shame to be one of this fat-ass idiot.

Oh England is not that socialist nation compare to Sweden or Swissland, and England doing much worst than Sweden or Swissland.

I'm not sorry to make my point clearly and logically. Thanks for you read my posting.

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Leo Lee

Check this out:

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Sweden is the second most heavily taxed country ... behind Denmark and well ahead of the US which comes in 11th. Sweden's tax burden as a percentage of GDP is 50% higher than the US and Denmark is roughly twice as high.

This is why we can afford to eat and drive cars! Which is about the only relevance this thread has to any of these ngs.

Matt

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Matthew S. Whiting

It would be to the benefit of the American people if the US became as "ultra-capitalistic" as Sweden. i.e. fewer government-controlled monopolies, fewer government-owned companies and fewer laws and regulations that control every detail of what companies may or may not do.

But all Americans I have discussed this with seem terrified about the idea of introducing a more free market system. A pity they don't see what gives more growth and higher living standards for everyone.

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Marcus Andersson

I'd vote for the Chinese Mongols for that title !

Dave Milne, Scotland '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

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Dave Milne

Is there some remote chance people could quit feeding this particular troll?

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Joe Pfeiffer

snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (Leo Lee) muttered incoherently in news:...

Should have Googled this idiot first. He makes Mike Hunt seem normal. I'm half tempted to post a selection of his completely incoherent babblings, but doing that would simply flatter him.

Apparently you can't argue with him. It's essentially debating with a three year old. No one else I've ever met harbors such an extreme yet unjustified, illogical, and reckless hatred of the American system. Most people who do hate it can at least explain why without resorting to calling people "fat-ass idiots." He has accused other people of making assumption about him, yet he insists on making assumptions about me and my level of intelligence (and physical fitness.)

So, I consider this the first time I've ever gotten bitten while feeding a troll. It probably won't be the last, but it will be the last time for this jack ass. Leo Lee, if you want a real debate go back (or to) college and take a few classes in debate. When you come back armed with facts presented in a logical, coherent and well-laid out manner, we will debate. I refuse to participate in a "lowest common denominator debate", which is what you seem hell-bent on reducing this to.

-moitz-

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Moitz

AHA! So now who's the ignorant one, Mr. Baudolino? By your own criteria, I guess that makes you a dumb fat American too.

Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x")

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Bill Putney

snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (Leo Lee) melodiously murmured in news: snipped-for-privacy@posting.google.com:

Ah, so. And with two you get egg roll.

And people wonder why Usenet has such a bad name .

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Tegger®

Joe Pfeiffer melodiously murmured in news: snipped-for-privacy@cs.nmsu.edu:

What, and lose the opportunity to be called "fat ass" in pidgin English just one more time? LOL

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Tegger®

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