Changes at DVLA - tell them what you think

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Top speed - HA - 76 mph. HB - 78 mph. Allegedly.

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Roger
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I do! :)

Although I was using a 75 car everyday till I took it off the road for some major work.

I've got 4 cars at the moment, my everyday car, one in bits in a garage, one parked behind my everyday car, and one on some land locally waiting to be rebuilt. My insurance limits me to 1500 miles a year per policy, and I doubt I even come close to that on average. Even if all 4 cars were fully working and I was using them, I'd still only be able to drive one at a time, yet I'd have to pay road tax on 3 of them.

I fully agree. I don't understand whyn if all my cars were in use, I would have three lots of tax to pay, for cars that on average would be on the road for maybe half an hour a week. Taxing the fuel would be the ideal for me, as I would be paying tax for what I actually did, not what I might do.

I'm not the world's biggest Europhile, but isn't it odd that good old Tone, who wishes to embrace Brussels with open arms, ignores that totally?

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Stuffed

Agreed, but I suppose in general it's more likely to be the classics that are doing the much lower mileages, therefore a quick way of making it fairer is to abolish the tax on older cars. In a way I'm quite satisfied at least one of my cars costs nothing to tax each year (leaving me more money to spend on keeping it running), but on a less selfish note I do wish the system would be reworked so it's simply a matter of tax = road useage.

Is your opinion on this clouded in any way by the fact the SD1 isn't tax exempt..? ;)

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Stuffed

HTF is that possible?

OK, so I run a much older car, but what on earth is that amount of loom doing on a car? Or is it the total electrics, wires switches lights motors etc? Even then, how TF?

At that sort of weight, you'd want to start thinking of making the wiring structural somehow! :)

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Stuffed

When my Carlton reached the end of its days, I had a bit of fun removing everything I could off it while still keeping it "functional". I.e. capable of moving under its own power up and down the drive. By the time the roof, wings, doors and interior had gone, the entire passenger footwell was full of cabling. I then spent an afternoon with secateurs following wires about and chopping them out. Result was two wheelie bins full of cable and a car that still went, but was so light over the rear wheels it had next to no traction!

Why is everybody looking at me like that?

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Willy Eckerslyke

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Richard Porter saying something like:

In Ireland a private car has to display the VED, the insurance ticket (a precis thereof), and the NCT docket (National Car Test, MoT equiv). The insurance companies have taken to asking for proof of the NCT for new business, I suppose to make sure the car exists.

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Grimly Curmudgeon

Grimly Curmudgeon ( snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

Same as France has *long* been - although they've only recently added the CT (MOT equiv), as they've only recently started having one.

Is there a big trade in insuring non-existant cars in Ireland?

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Adrian

Err but in this country at least, you need insurance to get the MOT (unless you arrange for the garage to pick the car up), so how could they ask for the MOT cert' ?!...

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:::Jerry::::

I agree, but I'd put money on it never happening; the reason being that, if you abolish VED, the treasury's income is based entirely on vehicle usage - and if (when) there is next a fuel crisis (or, God forbid, public transport is actually improved to the point where people start to use it in preference to their cars), vehicle usage is reduced, and the amount of money going to the treasury decreases.

And the treasury will never, never let that happen. They much prefer that we all stump up £165 (or whatever) a year, no matter how much we use our cars.

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Bob Watt

:::Jerry:::: ( snipped-for-privacy@privacy.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they :::were saying :

Since when did an MOT tester ever ask for the insurance certificate?

Besides - isn't most insurance a renewal?

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Adrian

To some extent that is true.

Do you really mean forbid, are you really saying that you want congestion !

Well, if public transport did improve to that point, the taxation revenue will drop anyway as people stop using their cars and either sell or park (SORN) them.

If they did abandon vehicle excise duty, or it was reduced by greater use of public transport, don't worry, they will soon find another cash cow !

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:::Jerry::::

: I took a mirror off a Cit XM passenger door the other day. The mirror is : electrically controlled, heated, and has an auto-dip function in reverse. : To achieve all this, there are **seven** multiplugs for just that mirror,

Just count your blessings. If Citroen were still Citroen, it would probably all be hydraulic...

Ian

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Ian Johnston

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Adrian saying something like:

Not that I'm aware of, but I suppose it would rule out those who keep an old banger's docs insured to enable them to put an extra driver on the policy cheaply.

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Grimly Curmudgeon

"Ian Johnston" gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

You have a point...

Oh, for a 70s Maserati - with hydraulics for the pop-up lights and seat adjustment...

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Adrian

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember ":::Jerry::::" saying something like:

There are plenty of instances where the car could be driven TPO to the test centre on someone's policy and tested.

The insurance co asked me just today to see the test cert and this is just routine now. Nothing special about the vehicle or the circumstances.

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Grimly Curmudgeon

So what you are saying is that you need to arrange to drive on some else's insurance to go to the MOT station, what if you don't know anyone who has suitable insurance that would let THEM drive your vehicle to the test centre ?...

As I said, the owner can ask the MOT garage to pick the vehicle up but that is not the point here.

No doubt a renewal.

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:::Jerry::::

No guv, just being facetious.

Reply to
Bob Watt

How about posting your irrelevance to where it will be of use, ir.rec.cars.classic....

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:::Jerry::::

Insure a non-existant car, then report it stolen perhaps? Sounds like a simple fraud to me, someone musty have tried it, Cheers, Bill.

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Bill Davies

Who said anything about fairness? Adrian asked for examples of modern SUVs that were more economical than some small practical historic cars. I gave him two. I could, similarly, have given examples of modern SUVs that were less economical than even moderately sized historic cars, but he didn't ask for that.

optimist.

There was a semi-colon between my examples. So no, I know FA Victors aren't side-valve. Small? They were the smallest Vauxhall of their time, and, iirc, were notably cramped in the back.

50s Hillmans I can't

Ditto (though Minxes had sv till the early/mid-fifties)

I should have added a :-) for the increasing number of inhabitants with a triple irony bypass.

This is where these comparisons get difficult: I used to reckon on less than 30mpg from a Series 1 Morris 8, and Fords were, by repute, less economical. A Husky returned something in the top twenties. But this was driving them on the roads of the time (or rather, in the case of the Morris, the roads of the sixties), at the speeds of the time. Manufacturers were a lot less scrupulous about accuracy in their adverts in those days, and didn't hesitate to quote "steady 45mph" figures as if they were obtained week in, week out.

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I only mentioned pollution as a sop to those who think they know enough about the science behind it to make informed comment. Is there scientific consensus yet about CO2, NOx, aromatic hydrocarbons, lead, nuclear waste, ecology of windfarms...? No, I thought not. But if, this year, diesel is deemed bad, fair enough, stick another copper or two on it. It will be petrol's turn next year, then lpg's, then hydrogen's.

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Autolycus

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