Changes at DVLA - tell them what you think

You are nothing but a total p*ss artist, go and get as CLUE moron

PLONK

:::Jerry:::: ( snipped-for-privacy@privacy.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

I think you dropped these, Jerry.

Or as I put it - lies, Wapping lies and Ministerial Replies.

It's not really "on the cheap" as we still have to pay fuel duty. If the government wants to tax usage then it should do what the French have done which is to abolish VED altogether for cars and light goods vehicles and increase fuel duty. That would favour small economical cars over SUVs regardless of age. The savings on administration and enforcement would far outweigh the current cost of the historic vehicle concession.

Just to point out that, some modern SUV's are more economical than some small practical 'historic' cars are.

You'd still need to maintain a database of who owns what, check up on insurance and MOT etc, so I doubt there would be much savings. The simple way to do this would be with some form of display on the screen showing everything was up to date...

In message , ":::Jerry::::" writes

Eh?? A GS engine is a LOT smaller than a Yaris one. (The GS engine is tiny.)

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes

Why are modern cars so heavy? Look at the VW Polo, over 1200kg for God's sake! That's 24 cwt in old money, which in the 1970s was the weight of a large-medium saloon car. And the 70s car probably had a cast iron block.

Which would entails a system to record what cars are still on the road (registered) and then a means to issue such stickers - we seem to have gone back to the start of this thread and what the DVLA are thinking of introducing (which many other EU countries have) and which could be used to replace the RFL disk if road pricing becomes common IYSWIM.

:::Jerry:::: ( snipped-for-privacy@privacy.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they :::were saying :

Examples?

It's a flat four, isn't it ?!

I would guess at all the crumple zones and other related stuff, steel bars welded into door etc all add up.

:::Jerry:::: ( snipped-for-privacy@privacy.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they :::were saying :

It's longer, yes. It's probably no wider, and it's a lot shorter. It's almost certainly lighter.

I'm not quite sure what that's got to do with the price of fish, though...

All the extra electrics. And the fact that everything is trimmed - no bare paint inside. Sound deadening.

I'll bet the body in white is actually lighter than on older cars.

For some values of "modern", "small", "practical", and "historic":

Range Rover / Discovery 200tdi - many users report 30-32mpg.

cf

Anything with a side-valve engine and a "tube with a hole in the side" carburettor, e.g. 1172cc Fords; FA Victors; 50s and 60s Hillmans.

I expect someone will pop up claiming 40mpg from his E93A, but if you drove a Rangey at that speed you'd be emptying some derv out every few miles.

FWIW, I'd support taxing fuel only: fair, cheap to collect, difficult to escape, correlates with pollution (if that sort of thing bothers you). And encourages those of us who like this sort of thing to have a selection of cars to choose in the morning like some people choose their tie.

: Now you really are showing yourself up as a total halfwit idiot and fool.

And thaaaaaar she blows.

Thanks to the poster (who shall remain nameless) who alerted me to this thread. It's certainly been worth unkillfiling Jerry for a gawp. I read on, with interest.

Ian

PS GT6 overdrive differentials, anyone?

: Range Rover / Discovery 200tdi - many users report 30-32mpg.

Isn't that achieved by including the miles spent on the back of recovery wagons?

Ian

In message , Ian Johnston writes

Yes I've got two of them thanks, (and a spare 3.63:1 as well). Good job, given how easily they break in a tuned GT6!

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes

Oh I'm sure it is. I guess you're right about the electrics. Perhaps a