: : > The gap between taxed and registered is even greater and treasury are : > sure it equals number of tax evaders. : : Perhaps older cars ain't on the database. :
Why would any "Historic" Taxation class of vehicle be on a government 'tax evaders' database, how does one 'evade' paying nothing?!...
It's more likely the MOT records for 2007 are lacking a huge number of vehicles, even from the models on the database.
Well some old Fords are on the MOT database for 2007, but the models were in production into much later years.
CORTINA
1962 3 1963 13 1964 9 1965 14 1966 31 1967 16 1968 38 1969 37 1970 77 1971* 129 1972 14 1973 8 1974 6 1975 22 1976 20 1977 26 1978 23 1979 81 1980 74 1981 126 1982 316 1983 51CAPRI
1964 2 1969 11 1970 13 1971* 93 1972 7 1973 10 1974 9 1975 18 1976 26 1977 58 1978 52 1979 124 1980 98 1981 143 1982 171 1983 351 1984 434 1985 370 1986 566 1987 550 1988 34 1991 1ESCORT
1965 0 1968 11 1969 10 1970 23 1971* 379 1972 25 1973 15 1974 31 1975 54 1976 59 1977 63 1978 137 1979 222 1980 420 1981 138 1982 222 1983 420 1984 452 1985 792I've just re-read the note for 1971*, any kit or rebuilt car gets included in 1971. Given how popular the Cortina was as a donor there should be more Cortinas than Escorts. But I don't believe that there are really are this many rebuilt or kit cars based on these clunkers FRONTERA 1971* 61 GALAXY 1971* 46
but only GRANADA 1971* 5
People have been in court for failing to obtain and display the free tax disc. I don't think many have been fined and there's clearly no back duty to pay but they may have had to pay costs.
Nothing to do with historic, they know how many free VEDs they gave away. It's the overall gap in all vehicles registered and vehicles taxed and a 2nd gap between vehicles taxed and vehicles MOTed.
The gap between taxed and MOTed, suggests that there were 3 million fake MOTs used to tax cars in 2007.
The tax record shows how many vehicles got tax, including all the free historic ones and how many are SORN. Any untaxed/unSORN vehicle that had tax expire after the introduction of SORN is viewed as a tax evader, even ones made before 1973 as you have to apply for and display the "free" tax disc. Then there is the number of vehicles registered that had tax expire before the introduction of SORN but were made after 1973, all are considered tax evaders. It's also why the historic taxation class won't roll on, they think all those untaxed vehicles that "disappeared" pre SORN are stored (or in use evading tax) and just waiting for the day they are free to tax. There would clearly have been around 3000 more "tax free" Fords if the historic tax had rolled on at 25 years and about another 1000 1983 Fords would have got free tax in 2008.
Even Historic vehicles have to display a tax disc if they are used on the road, and there is still the obligation annually to apply for that tax disc (which is only issued if a valid MOT and insurance is in force) or declare a SORN. Anyone doing neither is a tax evader according to the DVLA rules.
Anything garaged and off road before the SORN came in doesn't have to apply for tax or declare a SORN, but I believe anything in that category is no longer on the database, and you have to have a VOSA inspection to put it back on the database. VOSA expect any vehicle taken to them for inspection to have insurance and a valid MOT.
Jim
Indy Jess John gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:
Correct...
Nope. I've got a couple which haven't been MOTd, taxed or insured since before SORN, and for which I have V5Cs. I've bought them since the introduction of SORN.
That's interesting. I have a non-SORNed car that has been in my garage for 20 years, and I still have the old registration document rather than a V5c.
Something I read when SORN came in led me to believe that I needed a VOSA inspection to put it back on the road - but perhaps that is not the case if your examples are anything to go by.
Jim
Indy Jess John gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:
Get a V5C for it - asap. The wholesale replacement of the old V5 with V5Cs was intended to get the long-dead stuff off the database, so you do need to basically prod 'em and say "Oi, this is still extant".
Definitely not. I think you might be getting confused with the V5-V5C replacement, but I've not heard of anybody needing more than just a little prod of DVLA. If there's no Swansea V5, it'll get a bit more complex, but an old-old logbook should provide sufficient proof to link the paperwork and vehicle together. You'll need to do that in conjunction with a DVLA-approved club, though.
I have a couple of long dead non-sorn basket cases and I became more than a bit worried that their registrations could be kicked off the DVLA database some time ago now. However when I asked the DVLA to replace the V5s with V5Cs there was no problem. You never know when the rules might change so best do as Adrian says and upgrade to V5C just in case.
You should have SORNed them. It is ok for the original owner to allow the tax to expire and not tax/SORN them but a NEW owner post indroduction of SORN has to SORN.
All of which ensure they won't roll on the historic tax.
Peter Hill gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:
I know. I've tried. They don't seem to want to know...
: >
: >I have a couple of long dead non-sorn basket cases and I became more : >than a bit worried that their registrations could be kicked off the DVLA : >database some time ago now. However when I asked the DVLA to replace the : >V5s with V5Cs there was no problem. You never know when the rules might : >change so best do as Adrian says and upgrade to V5C just in case. : : All of which ensure they won't roll on the historic tax.
Why, you keep saying this but it makes no logic (considering what you are replying to), are you saying that the DVLA do not know when a vehicle was either made or first registered. Are you suggesting that in 20 years time cars from the mid to late 1970s, when they would be between 50 and 60 years old, won't be considered 'historic?!
Peter, stop spreading urban myths...
: : I know. I've tried. They don't seem to want to know...
They had to be taxed when the SORN regulation came in to force for the vehicle to need to be SORNed, that means that if the vehicle was taxed on or after 31st Jan 1998, page 17 of DVLA booklet V100 (pub: 2/09).
"Jerry" gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:
Not unless they change the historic vehicle definition - which the Labour government always said they would not do - and I can't see it being a high priority for this 'un.
OTOH, Peter's post could be interpreted as saying that exchanging a V5 for a V5C would mean you'd never be able to get the tax class changed to "Historic Vehicle", despite the car being provable pre-73. Completely untrue, of course, since every single "historic vehicle" that's on the road currently has a V5C (or should...)
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