Legal Question - Conclusion

I posted a question here a few weeks ago regarding my attempt to purchase a car which has stood in a field for a few years. I was buying it from the guy who had bought it from the owner of the field, and A. N. Other had come forward saying, "That's my car!" Consensus was that Mr Other should claim against the owner of the field but he refused to do so. After a bit of tact and diplomacy, I have managed to ease the situation and today I collected the car.

So what is it? A 1936 MG SA saloon. It is a bit of a gamble thanks to the state of it; I may have bought a pile of spares held together by a V5! The main bone of contention was the registration number, MG 4732. How much would you think it is worth?

Hands up if you said three to four grand. Nope, bugger all. Because the car has been off the road so long, it had also lapsed from DVLA records, and when you get the number restored it is categorised as non transferable. It does of course, add to the value of the car itself but ONLY if I can restore it. If I have to scrap it, the DVLA get the number back and they sell it for £££? Once I proved this to the understandably wary claimant, he relaxed his claim and is currently looking out all his old documents for me.

It is going to need a new body and a colleague has unkindly suggested I convert it to a hearse on the basis that it is going to take so long, I'll get at least one ride in it!

Pete W

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Pete W.
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You could ask yourself is it worth getting a rust free body or chassis from the USA and what legal aspect there is to the car being original or not in respect of its now established identity with the DVLA? :-)

jono

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Jono Barspeed

Since the car is not on the modern DVLA computer and you can prove that the registration number is original to that car, you can get it back on a non-transferrable basis. To do this, you need prove that the registration was indeed on the car at some point in it's life - an MoT certificate, tax disk or even the old card logbook if you have it. Even without that, with the chassis number the MG Owner's Club may have records linking your car with the number. Failing that, you could try and track down the original registration records - I'm sure MG is a Middlesex number.

Although they used to, the DVLA now DO NOT sell "expired" numbers. Once they have expired, they are lost forever. The DVLA will only sell previously *unissued* numbers.

Hope this helps! Any chance for some pictures of the car?

-- Howard Rose

1966 VW Beetle 1300 Deluxe 1962 Austin Mini Deluxe 1964 Austin Mini Super Deluxe
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Howard Rose

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These are truly gorgeous cars: I have SA1838 sitting in my garage at the moment waiting for me to pick up a restoration that was started then abandoned some years ago. There's a very supportive community in the SVW register of the MGCC, a yahoo group (MGSVW), a well-known spares and restoration company (who some are a little wary of after problems a few years ago), and one or two other specialists in various aspects of the cars.

Please email me (address in sig) if you need any details of contacts etc - or if you need it transporting.

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Autolycus

Pete W. (pete@(yourpants)squidlydid.freeserve.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

Even if it were on a V5, it wouldn't be worth anything unless he restored the car sufficiently to get an MOT - you can't transfer a plate off without a current or recently (6mo) expired ticket.

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Adrian

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Sorry, I didn't tell all the story in my exitement! The number was restored to the V5 by the PO, via the services of the MGCC and Mike Worthington-Williams of Classic Car Mart fame. Mike is an adjudicator for the DVLA and car clubs and helps people restore old numbers to barn finds, at cost. After an article in the afore mentioned mag, someone came forward with an old tax disc and the number was re-issued. DVLA form V765, "Application to register a vehicle under it's original number" clearly states that the re-issued number will be non-transferable, as does correspondence from Mike W-W to the PO. And sure enought V5 says so too.

I stand corrected.

When I get my web software sorted I'll put some up on the site.

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Pete W.

When abouts did this take place?

If it is fairly recently - within the last 10 years or so - then it should be non-transferrable. Things have been known to slip through the net though...

-- Howard Rose

1966 VW Beetle 1300 Deluxe 1962 Austin Mini Deluxe 1964 Austin Mini Super Deluxe
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Howard Rose

ISTR that the main London distributors for MG's (University Motors??) had an arrangement with the Middlesex licensing office to divert MG reg. numbers their way, so at one time it was not at all unusual to see an MG with MG on its number plates, in fact in the London area the opposite was more likely to have been the case.

Ron Robinson

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R.N. Robinson

Not a completely watertight arrangement; I once owned a Riley Kestrel registered MG 3959.

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Bob Watt

They also block booked a large chunk of the UMG series - sometime in the early '50s.

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Dave Plowman (News)

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I am fairly sure the number was restored in 1996.

Pete

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Pete W.

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