Meguiars spray on wax ??

I don't use a chamois. Fact, dish soap strips off wax and can leave a resuide behind. Fact, car wash soaps do not strip off wax or leave a residue behind.

Seems like you don't know how automtovie finishes work. A chemical in a liquid state does not have the same properties once it is dry.

Check Dawn and car wax, then tell me that Dawn doesn't remove it. You know darn well (or you should) that Dawn will remove wax from cars.

Fact, you have no facts. You eat off plates with a residue on them?

Take a look at the MSDS sheets on dish soap and car wash soap.

I have given you facts. A simple Google search backs up my facts and debunks your idea. Eating off plates isn't the same as washing a car. Unless you paint your plates with an automotive finish and wax them.

MSDS sheets refer to the human safety aspect.

I'm no expert but when I use to have my cars detailed, they didn't use dawn soap nor chamois (sp??) but did use terry cloth. I don't remember what they used for the soap now but I don't believe it was dishwashing soap.

Since then, I've read a lot about car finishes and the consensus is to use terry cloth or microfiber towels for wiping the car dry. And most car people nowadays seem to NOT like dishwashing soap for car washing but I seem to recall that old timers (of my dad's age... WWII vet) use to say on the OLD cars that dishwashing soap was fine. I don't know if that had to do with the lack of clear coat on the old cars or not.

But to repeat in more or less words that Dad (here) said earlier.... do what works for you !! That seems to be the answer no matter what your opinion is .

With all due respect, I think the MSDS also gives the chemical composition as well as the human safety aspect. BTW, my understanding is, a grocery store is supposed to carry them for your inspection since they sell chemical composed items but I bet if you ask for a "MSDS" sheet, almost no one will know what you are talking about.

The only reason I know about MSDS was because when I had to visit petrochemical plants (btw, not the kinda place you want your vette to be), they make you take safety courses before hand and talk and show you MSDS sheets.

How can I deal with logic like that? I'll have to see what google says about that if I need to believe it or not.

It also gives the base chemicals used in both. Your facts are web hearsay and old wives tales, try looking at the chemical composition of both soaps then if you don't agree with using MSDS sheets. Ever even give it any thought as to why they used Dawn to clean animals after the oil spill?

Chemical compatibility.

You mean how can you deal with the truth?

If you don't understand the basics of how Dawn works then you'll never understand. Of course they use Dawn for cleaning animals.. IT REMOVES THE OIL AND WAX!. The same thing is does to you car.. IT REMOVES THE WAX.

Now if you goal is to remove the wax before doing a clay bar treatment and re waxing then thats another thing.

I suggest you look at the information from companies that make automotive paint, clear coat and waxes and let me know which ones say to use Dawn to clean your car with.

Try going into a mine without mega safety training.

No thank you.

I don't even want to go where I've been where the valves are 50 plus years old or the steel columns are rusting out at the bottom.

LOLOL I took Coal Mining in High School. Went to English class, then went 300ft down in the mine the rest of the day. They couldn't get away with that now-a-days!!!

Dad was on the mark. I had some swirls and paid a PRO to use a buffer. It looked like a new car and I then applied Zaino. An unskilled buffer can make a mess. The guy did a great job on mine and took out swirls, marks and surface scratches.

aRKay

01 Black Coupe

And google says!

See step one here.

First paragraph here Or 2/3 down the page here I think perhaps that "Dawn removes wax" fits into Urban legend category!

uh? I do know how the products work and I sure could spend extra $$$'s on them. but, I also know how advertising strategies work. looks like they worked with you, hook, line and sinker.

nothing bad intended

"too cheap" ? now that's funny :-)

again, nothing bad intended

I read them and:

First example is before using clay. So you are removing the wax.

Second example: Wash your RAV4 regularly with a mild detergent designed for cars. Dishwashing soap, like Ivory or Dawn, is fairly mild and works pretty well, although some people do not recommend using a dish soap. Any harsh soap or ammonia based cleaner will remove the wax from your finish and leave it looking dull.

So most people don't recomend it.

Third example: Dawn dishwashing soap has earned a reputation for removing wax but I've experienced mixed results using this soap.

Mixed results. So if the results are only mixed then it can't be that good.

Seems "Dawn removes wax" is correct and isn't any kind of legand.

Then you are even more misguided than I thought.

duh? its you that's being "misguided" :-)

it says some people, not most people, and you think I am "misguided" ! :-)