The Mustang Guys are having kittens worried about having a car that will
blow the doors off the Shelby GT500 Mustang. I love competition!! There goes
GM with the new Camaro last to market and butt ugly too.
Not at all.
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:12:10 -0700, email@example.com wrote:
Well, duh - so you managed to find a first gen model - the one model that
decidedly has no resemblance to the Challenger concept car.
I was referring to the E platform models from the early '70s.
Like this one:
Compared to the more angular Challenger sheet metal on the same platform...
...I think the new Challenger looks more like the 'Cuda, with the exception
being the "grill", which is clearly modeled from the old Challenger nose...
'05 hemi durango
Well, sorry, when I think _old_ Barracuda, I naturally think first
gen. And because I like them better. I like their quirky styling and
trim size/weight. With a 340 mill, they're awesome little street
I'm not at all worried about a N/A Charger/Challenger blowing the doors
off of a GT500. That engine in the GT500 is just a $25 blower pulley
away from 600+ hp. Then if that isn't enough there is always the option
of a Kenne Bell twin screw blower that will get you 800+ hp. Chrysler
doesn't have a Hemi in anything they sell currently, or planned, that
has a snowball's chance in hell of overpowering a blown 5.4L, 32-valve
V-8 of the type that is in the GT500. It is basically the Ford GT
engine with an iron block and a Roots blower instead of a twinscrew. I
will say that Ford definitely knows how to build a supercharged V-8 that
is extremely reliable and can put out some outrageous horsepower numbers
with a few inexpensive tweaks and without even removing the valve covers.
lol a measly 5.4L Ford engine (probably out of a lawnboy mower) even with a
blower will be a dog compared to a Hemi Challenger with the new 6.1L Hemi
Challenger and besides Ford can only build about 30 of the GT500 Shelbys a
year. Dodge will eat them for lunch in sales. How many guys/gals do you know
that are willing to buy a GT500 for 22K dealer markup over the 47K sticker?
Mustang is all decoration. Dodge will rule again with the Hemi.Well at least
There will be lots of mustangs on Dodge used car lots in 2008.
Do your homework before posting. If you did you would know the engine
in the GT500 is choked from the factory. Ford had to detune it and put
a Roots blower on it (instead of a twinscrew) to keep the horsepower at
500. With a $25 pulley swap it is capable of close to 600 hp. With a
decent tune there is even more power to be had.
The sad fact is you can get only so much power from a street driven 6.1L
N/A engine unless you can somehow change the atmospheric pressure of the
Earth. With a blown engine this is no longer a limitation. You do know
there is very little difference in displacement between 5.4 liters and
6.1 liters? If 5.4 liters is measly then 6.1 liters is just a little
above measly. You are comparing a 376 cubic inch engine to a 333 cubic
inch engine. I'll take 333 cubic inches with a blower any day over 376
cubic inches naturally aspirated.
Ford is selling every GT500 it makes. I wish they made more to keep the
price down. It seems there are plenty of buyers at current prices. I
won't be one of them though. If the Challenger is priced right and
delivers good performance it will sell. However, if you think a
naturally aspirated Hemi of any variety will out power a GT500 engine
then you are going to be disappointed. Unless, of course, you know how
to increase the atmospheric pressure of the Earth in the vicinity of
that Challenger. Even then, the pressure increase would have to effect
only the Challenger and not the GT500 running against it otherwise there
is no advantage gained. ;)
So WF, tell us how either of the current Hemi engines are
BTW, if you're simply rounding up the 4.7 Hemi to 5 liters and rounding
down the 6.1 to 6, why not just round down the Ford 5.4 to 5 liters as
well? Or why not call the Mustang 4.6 a "5 liter"?
I like the new Hemi. But I don't see how you've come to this
conclusion. The 6.1 SRTs only run about 108 in the 1/4. The GT500s
run an easy 110. (And do we want to add the GT500KRs and KR Super
Snakes?) Or are you betting because the Challenger is going to be a 2-
door that it'll be lighter. I say don't bet on it. I think we'll be
lucky if it's south of 3,900.
You're just a little bit off. Total production for the 2007 GT500's
came to 10,844 units with 8,150 of those being coupes and 2,694 being
convertibles. If only you would have added 2 more zeros and then
about 7,000 to your number, you would have been right there.
And you think you're going to get a Challenger for anything close to
sticker the first year? Rrrrrriiiiiggggghhhhttttttt....lol
It is, if you first remove the 500 HP motor.
Dodge will be lucky if it's still alive in 5 years. (And Ford is
hardly in any better shape.) I say we should be extremely happy
they're even making the Challenger and GT500/Mustang.
Considering the Mustang hasn't missed a model year since '64, I'll
stay in the Champ's corner. What's our Challenger's history, again?
That surprises the hell out of me. It's absolutely amazing that dealers are able
to ask (and receive) so much "blue sky" on these cars, with those numbers. It
must be the "Shelby" emblem bringing in all the folks that P.T. Barnum told us
/raising glass/ Here's to the possibility that '08 will have as many produced.
John C. (MSRP...or bust)
'03 Cobra (improved)
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